Any reason why you quoted somebody above me whilst responding to my quote? I didn't say that to you...

Just a month or so ago. Dead serious... caught me by surprise but I did it. It's been over 12 years since I had even seen COBOL.

I get what you're saying though. And AS3 definitely allows for segue from existing technology into it and from it, imho. The whole "Flash is Evil" stuff though... reminds me of Slashdot before Flash Player 7 or so.

Flash when used as a GUI was quite useful and produced good results.

But with the advances of web-based technologies I think flash is becoming less relevant and reduced to a cross-platform embedded video player. The only other "benefit" of flash is the embedded games people play in the browser.

My problem with flash is the engine is proprietory and the restrictive licensing.
Also flash does not degrade gracefully like html - no flash then access to site is usually denied.

With regards to Linux, flash is memory and processor hungry - I know it is supposed to be "optimized" with native graphics but it is still a resource hog.

Personally I hate flash and I think it has had its time.

However I think the haxe project is a nice idea and maybe has some potential.

That's nothing, I programmed a predecessor of a CNC machine which uses punched cards couple of years back That's technology that was mostly dead before I was even born... It was actually a lot of fun

However, COBOL is dead as much as the punched card technology. And within 10-20 years, there probably won't be HTML anymore as well. Or Flash for that matter... Linux, however, will probably still exist as a platform

Personally, I think Haxe is trying to do something that is too complex to do well.

If there was a one language for all solutions, microsoft, borland, etc. would have stepped up to that plate along time ago.

The problem with one code for all, is that in the recompile into the desired langauge, there is going to be fluff.

Instead of one langauge that can convert into any other language, the solution SHOULD be one langauge period.

This concept, is not only unpratical, but unrealistic.

The idea, that I don't have time to learn another language, is conducive to the quick fix. The quick fix has been plagueing computing stability since it's birth.

2d

Interesting input.

I feel my first language i need to learn and improve is definitely English since people getting me as some ***** without any knowledge and very often missing my point. You have no idea how bad I feel with this. And maybe that's the reason why I am having so long monologues

Qole's twit - as well, but just curiosity when I see all the parts on the plate.

I agree with you, maybe argument about 1mln developers sounds surrealistic if we take quality of these people code and responsibility for being developer.

However, don't forget many of designers forced to learn code and keep developing themselves become good developers. Imagine somebody with potential but scare of 0 and once and no good teachers around. When things became more human readable and he could grow up with technology why not? I am one of them. Yes you can call me stupid and lack of computer science certificate unprofessional. But after when I enter this world 10 years ago I this kind of designer what represent my drawings by code. Truly understand art of programing now.

Believe me or not. I was defending and dying many times trying to explain to client flash developer colleague or boss why I should do something this way. Even more I had displeasure met former c++ programmers jumped to AS3 and I never seen so rubbish code in my entire life. They might me wonder if underneath this whole magic these kind of "professional developers" doing serious software from years how our technology is overbuild. And how much this game is playing in smoke and mirrors.

Because my curiosity I've started to dig to the bottom. Study whole history from 60's algorithms problems to solve. I always been computer geek and play around ZX spectrum Amiga - I remember even my first try with Amos even somebody at school tried to teach us Basic and Pascal but it didn't work. My Hobby was always electronic but analog. I failed on 0 and 1 because nobody could learn me. and there is many reasons why doesn't matter now. Now programing it's my lifestyle and even changed the way I am thinking.

I am far away from dump ALL this ppl who grew up with Flash but yes, All the bad development doing bad job for Flash Platform and guess what, I left my country because of that 2 years ago. A lot of talented programmers but with very conservative thinking. Serious Flash development in my country almost doesn't exist.

I agree with you that things are more and more clear and it's just a matter of syntax. But I don't agree with you that speaking one language is foolish.

Each platform has own limitations challenges and differences even frameworks on top of each language has own conventions and you have to learn new ways. And if programing for you is like logical speaking you simple cannot follow somebody different point of view. But as long as we can talk same language we can find some solution to build something together. Can you imagine this conversation If I'll start using my mother language because I feel more convenient with?

Nahh

I also see a danger that each technology can stick to one and being use by one corporation/institution. Same way fear against globalization between a nations to have one currency and language works for programmers as well I see. And this is good tool to control. If that analogy works in technology world it's just against of what programing is itself.

Gerber code!? Haven't seen that since my tortuous university professor decided to show us ol' school stuff... he hated me. I know it.

IBM System/3 using EBCDIC. The machine was working perfectly for 30 years in one factory, but they needed to change several offsets due to a change in their supplier of metal sheets which are now a tad bit shorter than the original program was written for, and the guy that used to do those adjustments died in the mean time...

Either way, it was a lot of fun... Everybody should try it, it really puts into perspective what programming is all about

I believe you and trust you but don't forget world will not stand stood and new generation of programmers incoming on the market without this legacy.

They are no longer teaching them at school c++. Java instead.
Try to learn one technology young generation and if you keep it in hand you are the monopolist within next 10 years. If you know the history so good don't you think that already happened couple of times?
IBM actually is here very good example and was telling ppl many years that Personal Computer is too small to have enough computing power.

Haxe lets you export to multiple platforms, but some have more features than others. So you're either stuck using the Haxe API and a more strict feature set, or targeting the advanced features which breaks cross platform exportation and forces you to use, in part, the platform specific languages. In some cases it might make sense to use it, but I don't see why it would be good to use if you need those high level features or if you only need to target one platform.

I was about to point out that the C++ API listed on their site doesn't have any kind of display/gui features but apparently someone has made an SDL wrapper that uses the same syntax as AS3. It does still lack elsewhere, and you need to know exactly what limitations it has before you start projects or you could "paint yourself into a corner".