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Originally Posted by Deaconclgi View Post
By US Phone, the author simply is implying a phone released by a US carrier. Simple as that. If a phone is not released by a US carrier, it is considered "from overseas" and therefore not a US phone.
If you read the article well you will notice that it goes like this:

Title:
Sprint's Evo 4G is first mobile phone to make video chat possible
It doesn't say first US phone. Moving on:
Think talking on a cellphone in public is anti-social?

Just wait. Soon, folks might be staring at their phones as well as mumbling into them.

Video chat on mobile phones has arrived.

On Friday, the HTC Evo 4G — the first U.S. phone able to access the speed-enhanced 4G cell network — went on sale, with Sprint Nextel as its exclusive carrier.
The article says: "Video chat on mobile has finally arrived"..really?? N95 or N900 could video call or video chat to PCs or other phones.

And it says: "the first US phone able to access the speed-enchanced 4G cell network"...Finally a bit of truth. It is the first US phone to use 4G. But nowhere in the article does the author say that the Evo 4G is the first US phone that does video calling. He made it seem like it's the first phone ever to do that.
 
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I think what the article meant to say is that this phone is the first 4G mobile phone to be able to make video chat.

The journalist/soldier has either not read the information he was given correctly or he is not interested phone technology and doesn’t realize phones have been able to make video chat/calls for years.

This goes some way to proving benny1967’s fathers point.

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yet another article to prove my father's point that journalists are people who couldn't get any other jobs because they have no qualification whatsoever. (he also says that those who still cannot get a job as a journalist become soldiers.)
If you read further on he goes on to mention that apple are about to release there new iPhone 4g, if you read it like this, you can see his mistake of forgetting the 4G part.
 
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Originally Posted by Deaconclgi View Post
By US Phone, the author simply is implying a phone released by a US carrier. Simple as that. If a phone is not released by a US carrier, it is considered "from overseas" and therefore not a US phone.

Conversation goes like this: What phone is that? It is a Nokia N900. Who is it with? It isn't with any company, you have to order it direct......

Conversation is OVER when you say that it is not with T-Mobile, ATT, Sprint or Verizon. US customers do not care if it can be used with a carrier, only if it is FROM a US carrier, otherwise it is not a US phone and US journalist see it the same way.

Oh well, all I know is that I made video chat/call/whatever on my N82 years ago
I think most people in this thread are missing the point. The article isn't about a phone, its about a network.

Yes - video calling (as defined earlier) has existed for years in europe and certain asian countries, but not in the US.

You couldn't make a video call with your N82 in the US. It would just give you an error like "not supported by network" because none of the networks in the U.S have implemented video calling yet. (we have a larger geographical area with smaller population density, so it takes longer to upgrade the networks).

I had an N95 for years that supported video calling but I could never make video calls because the networks here don't support it.

The sprint 4g network is the first to implement video calling because they had to find some way to show off their new bandwidth that people would recognize. And the phone the article was talking about is just the first phone sold in the US to support this.

The real question is would my N95 be able to make a video call on sprint? Probably not since N95 is not 4G. Same for your N82.

So until someone else releases a 4G video calling phone, the phone in that article is probably the only way to make full-duplex video calls on a cell in the U.S.
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Originally Posted by Deaconclgi View Post
By US Phone, the author simply is implying a phone released by a US carrier. Simple as that. If a phone is not released by a US carrier, it is considered "from overseas" and therefore not a US phone.

Conversation goes like this: What phone is that? It is a Nokia N900. Who is it with? It isn't with any company, you have to order it direct......

Conversation is OVER when you say that it is not with T-Mobile, ATT, Sprint or Verizon. US customers do not care if it can be used with a carrier, only if it is FROM a US carrier, otherwise it is not a US phone and US journalist see it the same way.

Oh well, all I know is that I made video chat/call/whatever on my N82 years ago
The e71 has video calling and is available on ATT if I'm not mistaken. Simply put they screwed up, now if they said 1st fully supported that would be acceptable.
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The e71 has video calling and is available on ATT if I'm not mistaken. Simply put they screwed up, now if they said 1st fully supported that would be acceptable.
AFAIK, AT&T video capabilities are only half duplex, not full duplex. Video only flows in one direction.

Additionally, you have to have an AT&T video calling app installed on your phone. (I know, I tried to do it with my N95 about a year ago, but it didn't work). So its more like a hack by AT&T to bring video chat to their network instead of true video calling.

I stand by the article.
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Originally Posted by Flynx View Post
Well first we need to make a distinction.

"Video Chat" uses the internet and you have to have an account with a service like Qik or Google Voice.

"Video Call" is just dial a phone number and get video. (at least that is how I have always used the terms).

The news article was talking about video calling.

Lots of phones can do video chat and some phones can do one-way video calling but I don't know of any wireless phones in the U.S. that can do two-way video calling just by dialing the person's phone number.
I received a two way video phone call from the east coast of the US to the center of the US on Saturday morning using Skype. I could see my respondant and he could see me once I activated the front camera. It was pretty cool. I do not know if he used my Skype address or my phone number. He had both.
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I received a two way video phone call from the east coast of the US to the center of the US on Saturday morning using Skype. I could see my respondant and he could see me once I activated the front camera. It was pretty cool. I do not know if he used my Skype address or my phone number. He had both.
Yup, that's video chat. Everybody has that.

Nobody has video call. Except for Sprint 4G described in the article.
 
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So has it been proven that the N900 can do (not Skype, not Google Talk) but actual phone to phone video calling? If so, please disregard... that's something I'm missing from this discussion.
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So has it been proven that the N900 can do (not Skype, not Google Talk) but actual phone to phone video calling? If so, please disregard... that's something I'm missing from this discussion.
I don't know. But my N95 at least gave me the option to try. I have not seen any option for it on the N900.
 
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I don't know. But my N95 at least gave me the option to try. I have not seen any option for it on the N900.
So... if that's true, how does the N900 even register into this? It's been mentioned a few times and I know that PR1.2 brought Skype video and Google Talk video calling, but not phone to phone, right?

Just trying to figure it out.
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