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2010-07-12 , 20:41
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there are several videos of resistive multitouch-screens on youtube for example. it does exist, but obviously hasnt been used before in any mainstream-device.

i wonder why?!
i think its because it dont work the same as good as with a capacitive screen.
you are only allowed to zoom with one finger, not with both.
 
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2010-07-12 , 21:35
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As far as behavior in browser goes, I think i'd prefer them to be simpler... no need to use multitouch gestures on non multitouch screen...

single click: open links
single click and hold: show context menu
double click: zoom to element
double click and hold: show zoom widget
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2010-07-12 , 22:42
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hmm, i think multitouch in n900 browser would be nice but i dont know how to write mouse gesture plugins for firefox/microb.
the zooming would be faster with pseudo multitouch
 
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2010-07-12 , 23:12
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
double click and hold: show zoom widget
Perhaps for many having essentially four steps (tap, tap-hold, zoom widget, slide) to take to get to zoom would be better than a single spiral gesture or the fake multitouch being discussed here.

For me it woudn't.

It really doesn't matter that people would need to learn constraints in order to use the feature, after all, we are n900 users. We can't say that we are willing to put up with the limitations of the device because we like its hackerish qualities and then reject ideas because they are too hacky.

We are here to have fun with it.
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Originally Posted by AndiThebest View Post
i think its because it dont work the same as good as with a capacitive screen.
you are only allowed to zoom with one finger, not with both.
no, check videos on youtube. i works just like capacitive screens.
 
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2010-07-13 , 00:02
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Originally Posted by msa View Post
there are several videos of resistive multitouch-screens on youtube for example. it does exist, but obviously hasnt been used before in any mainstream-device.

i wonder why?!
So you can have multi-touch with either capacitive or resistive.

So what are the other pros and cons?

Resistive is more accurate (how long this will hold true?) and has pressure sensitivity. And you can use an ordinary stylus.

Capacitive can use a glass screen and feel all silky. And won't work without a finger or special stylus.

I'll bet most people asked would prefer a phone they can enjoy the feeling of and that they can throw in their pocket without having to lock it.

They would go "what do I need accuracy for with these fat fingers, and wtf does pressure sensitivity give me?"

n900 users are outliers remember.
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Originally Posted by AndiThebest View Post
I have seen this fake multitouch on n900 in a youtube video...
Yes, lcuk experimented with such tricks in liqbase on the N800 way back in 2008. It was interesting, but as ysss has said, the number of restrictions involved largely prevent serious use of the technique.
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2010-07-13 , 04:08
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Perhaps for many having essentially four steps (tap, tap-hold, zoom widget, slide) to take to get to zoom would be better than a single spiral gesture or the fake multitouch being discussed here.
It's actually more like 2 steps (doubletap-hold, slide)... obviously you can change the wait variable; or to make it even faster, make sure that 'double tap to zoom' only works when there's zero hold on the second tap.

Then, after 0.5second of hold, Imagine a compass widget shows up right under the stylus and it does different thing for different directions (ie: y axis = zoom, x axis = rotation... )

For me it woudn't.

It really doesn't matter that people would need to learn constraints in order to use the feature, after all, we are n900 users. We can't say that we are willing to put up with the limitations of the device because we like its hackerish qualities and then reject ideas because they are too hacky.

We are here to have fun with it.
Sure, I just don't think it's a step forward in UI design..
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It's actually more like 2 steps (doubletap-hold, slide)... obviously you can change the wait variable; or to make it even faster, make sure that 'double tap to zoom' only works when there's zero hold on the second tap.

Then, after 0.5second of hold, Imagine a compass widget shows up right under the stylus and it does different thing for different directions (ie: y axis = zoom, x axis = rotation... )
In a browser - where I see this being the most useful day to day - double-tap-slide (ie the second tap immediately becomes slide if you hold it) shouldn't interfere with anything, even the double-tap to default zoom. Probably not in other apps too.

Sure, I just don't think it's a step forward in UI design..
Yeah, well that is for sure! Just for kicks. Doubletap-slide would be time better spent if someone was going to monkey with this.

When can you have it done by?
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Originally Posted by paulkoan View Post
In a browser - where I see this being the most useful day to day - double-tap-slide (ie the second tap immediately becomes slide if you hold it) shouldn't interfere with anything, even the double-tap to default zoom. Probably not in other apps too.



Yeah, well that is for sure! Just for kicks. Doubletap-slide would be time better spent if someone was going to monkey with this.

When can you have it done by?
Oh, that comment was for the pseudo multitouch. I think "double tap and hold + linear gesture" is superior to the current spiral model.

The x-axis should be used for going back/forward in the browser.
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