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For me, I see a tablet nicely wearing both a laptop/netbook replacement hat, and a handheld hat. Imagine being able to switch between a desktop UI and a handheld UI by a simple or an automated toggle.
You really need to look at the Levono IdeaPad U1. It sounds like just what you're looking for. I'm definitely looking forward to grabbing one when it comes out. (Which should be any day now...)
 

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From what I've seen of sites I've browsed with the iPad, the rendering is not the best. I guess if you consider Hulu and ABC "second tier", then you're claim is valid. Realistically though there are many, many sites that simply don't work or are garbled on the iPad (and the iPhone), which work fine on competing tablets like JooJoo and the U1.
Well to be fair..

There's a Hulu and ABC app. (though I dislike apps that shouldn't need to be apps). I think ysss meant sites like MegaVideo and what not.
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#83
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You really need to look at the Levono IdeaPad U1. It sounds like just what you're looking for. I'm definitely looking forward to grabbing one when it comes out. (Which should be any day now...)
Yes, nice device. I'm watching this sector closely, but I want to see an explosion of competition in this area first because I do have a prioritized requirements list. I hope to give Apple plenty of credit if they've successfully ignited a very competitive tablet market. I've been waiting decades for this, so even though I'm very excited, now's not the time to be impatient. My house and storage unit are already tech junkyards that I'm looking to downsize.
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I'm watching this sector closely, but I want to see an explosion of competition in this area first because I do have a prioritized requirements list.
We don't need to wait forever. I think the smart choice now is to wait until you can buy a workable cheap device like one of these with 150USD:

http://www.geekvine.net/2010/07/earl...blets-w-video/

Then, after the tablet onslaught has stabilized, buy the tablet-to-end-all-tablets (probably running meego ;-) with real money (still ~500eur, I guess).
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It's pretty clear you haven't used a win-based tablet in a while. The base OS has minor setting tweeks in XP and beyond that make it very finger friendly. And many apps designed for tablet solutions are also quite friendly. The only difference is that you can run non-finger friendly apps if you want to for productivity reasons.
More recently I've looked at the smaller ones (raon everun, a few vilivs, kohjinsha's convertible) and the OS's tablet/finger friendly usability have been very very low; so I never bought any of those.

I don't think windowed UI is optimal for handheld slate computing. Maybe a tiled version could work (a la ratpoison/ion), because managing overlapping windows in a sub 12" screen just has more complications than advantage. (small mouse-optimized ui designed for big screen just don't translate well to handheld slates).

From what I've seen of sites I've browsed with the iPad, the rendering is not the best. I guess if you consider Hulu and ABC "second tier", then you're claim is valid. Realistically though there are many, many sites that simply don't work or are garbled on the iPad (and the iPhone), which work fine on competing tablets like JooJoo and the U1.
Can you point me to a page that don't render well on the iPad? I can't remember if I've found any. Most of the elements that I don't get through iPad (flashy flash UI and some flash videos) are generally stuffs that I don't want to download while on the go anyway (due to bandwidth/quota contraints).

That's a bit ingenuous don't you think? No, they're not carrier locked yet, but they use micro-sims, which are officially only available from AT&T. Once other GSM providers start getting their hands on micro-sims, I'm willing to bet AT&T will raise a stink and iPads will start to be locked down. (And don't even mention sim-cutting. Yes, you can do it usually, but most people aren't going to do it. the few that do will be fewer than the number that jailbreak their iPad.)
I don't live in the US, though my iPad came from US. I plopped my microsim and it worked just fine, thus it's not carrier locked. I don't see the big deal with trimming sims. Most people I know with iPads (20+) either order a microsim from their carrier, or order an additional data sim to cut for the iPad. It's not like you're gonna swap the sims in and out all the time. So from what I'm seeing here, some 80% trim their SIMS while the jailbreaker is less than 20% (including myself).

I've yet to hear any sim trimming failure.

Anyway.. I have stuff to do.. so this will be my last reply for a while. I think on many points we agree. I just think people don't realize that the iPad is not new technology, and there are other (in most cases better) solutions out there that simply lack the Apple logo. Folks that even after being shown other tablets with better run times and faster processors still insist that the iPad is the bees knees in technology and Apple got the jump on everyone, when clearly it's mainly marketing smoke and mirrors. It just bugs me when people refuse to see or acknowledge reality, since never in the history of man has that ever lead to anything good.
What I'm seeing and hearing ppl say is the iPad is innovative in terms of UI and UX; and I fully agree with that. As for technology... I've yet to see an x86 device with that form factor (dimension:weight) before the iPad; perhaps they exist but they're held back by the UI/UX.
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We don't need to wait forever.
Maybe not forever, but we need to wait. Those devices you linked to have projected release dates of August and September. They don't exist! Patience is key, otherwise don't be shocked if people start giving their money to tablet snake oil salesmen. This has all the makings of a gold rush. Besides, those sizes and resolutions you pointed to leave much to be desired. We can do better. Alot better. Those things remind me of the first Asus netbook's shortcomings.
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Yes, nice device. I'm watching this sector closely, but I want to see an explosion of competition in this area first because I do have a prioritized requirements list. I hope to give Apple plenty of credit if they've successfully ignited a very competitive tablet market. I've been waiting decades for this, so even though I'm very excited, now's not the time to be impatient. My house and storage unit are already tech junkyards that I'm looking to downsize.

http://www.myviliv.com/eng/product/s10.asp

The viliv s10 blade was recently released. Pretty nice, has 3G options.
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Maybe not forever, but we need to wait.
Not that I'm disagreeing with you; however I have to ask why should people wait because as far as it goes, Maemo was built for tablets and it's Nokia that... well, abandoned that and decided to go after the phone market.

It's not that they didn't know what they were doing. They were pretty ahead of everybody. And now we have to wait?
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Not that I'm disagreeing with you; however I have to ask why should people wait because as far as it goes,
You know me, I love telling stories.

Okay, he said, "We don't need to wait forever." And then he pointed to an URL of devices that we can buy while we're waiting.

Then I said, "Maybe not forever, but we do have to wait," because the tablets he pointed to are not even out yet.

Maemo was built for tablets and it's Nokia that... well, abandoned that and decided to go after the phone market.
You're right, and some of us weren't happy.

Cool, I don't even need to rewrite history, I can just cut and paste some of it:

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I don't need or want a $700 phone. I have the perfect phone and it was free. TI didn't make the OMAP3 so I can sound better to friends and family. And none of you originally came to this forum to talk about phones. If you did, go away.

I have my phone company right where I want them, in that sh*tty little free phone. I'm done writing about phones. It's really boring.
I was read the riot act for that one. I really like my n900, but it would be fair to say that some of my infatuation is similar to craving a Ritz while starving. [Bummer, I couldn't find the Eddie Murphy clip I was thinking of.]

It's not that they didn't know what they were doing. They were pretty ahead of everybody.
You got that straight. I thought the n800 was sliced bread. But the next thing I know Nokia is releasing a Windows laptop. What, what, what!? Maemo just seemed to be a skunkworks project that, like you said, was going down the phone path instead of a more evolved vision. What a huge ball to drop.

And now we have to wait?
What are you talking about, you're the King of Wait. And now I'm the prince.
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Not that I'm disagreeing with you; however I have to ask why should people wait because as far as it goes, Maemo was built for tablets and it's Nokia that... well, abandoned that and decided to go after the phone market.

It's not that they didn't know what they were doing. They were pretty ahead of everybody. And now we have to wait?
Since when does Nokia treat Maemo like it should? :P
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