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2010-07-19 , 19:16
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#221
is it not better to have more competion(iOS, android,meego,bada,symbian..etc)?....and whats wrong with not being most popular.... coming in 3rd or 4th?

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

should apple drop osX in favour of windows xp?
the majority has a tendency to be wrong....
I would rather stick with the minority
 
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2010-07-19 , 19:23
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This indirectly leads to my real question. If Nokia won't use Android - as stated before in order to preserve their "unique" ecosystem and/or environment - then why would any manufacturer use MeeGo?
Check the "How will meego pull it off" thread. You were there, maybe you don't remember the discussion or maybe you just want to ask the same questions again since it is kind of provocative...
 
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2010-07-19 , 19:23
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Maemo was the same. Only MeeGo is different in this aspect. It wasn't a problem then that only Nokia was the driving force behind Maemo - well Nokia and this community - so why would it be a problem if it were another company?
It's a problem for other companies, not quite as much for the end user. But the way MeeGo promises to go is much more open for both companies involved and end users, as everyone gets a chance to put in their two bits (good or bad) and overall the whole ecosystem benefits.

And please don't say that "Google is evil" stuff. Evil would be gas chambers, slavery and forcing people to listen to zydeco on repeat.
It has nothing to do with Google being "evil" and everything to do with what they are as a company. Google bought Android and opened it for the very reasons we see today: it gave them a foothold in a market they could very well have been locked out of. And it ended up giving them a position of power at a level I'd prefer be neutral.

Design by committee has always been a fear of mine... takes longer for effective things to happen, small things can fracture a community - file formats or how to install versus the alternatives.
Which is why you need a core team of decision makers who can take in the external input and make a hard decision. The kernel itself is effectively "design by committee" but makes huge strides each release, and is where I would like MeeGo to head.
 
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2010-07-19 , 19:28
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#224
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
This indirectly leads to my real question. If Nokia won't use Android - as stated before in order to preserve their "unique" ecosystem and/or environment - then why would any manufacturer use MeeGo?
Thought this is different to Symbian in a sense that there is another big company behind this all and they got quite a different mindset for MeeGo than Nokia that IMO makes it more welcoming.

That said i'm very sceptical in the handset space of any big manufacturer going mainly for MeeGo other than Nokia. LG might make something to MeeGo but as a brand i don't think they got too much to offer. MeeGo could offer right place for some new manufacturers, but lets not even go there now.

There is some real interest on tablet and netbooks where we already got other manufacturers that are truly going to make hardware for MeeGo.
 
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2010-07-19 , 21:49
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Originally Posted by quipper8 View Post
Check the "How will meego pull it off" thread. You were there, maybe you don't remember the discussion or maybe you just want to ask the same questions again since it is kind of provocative...
I remember that thread well. I don't recall receiving much of a response that settled my curiosity. Beside, in this thread, conversation seems to be more free-flowing than there... just my opinion.

Regardless, there's nothing more to my inquiry than curiosity. Nothing more, nothing less. And definitely nothing provocative.

Some people just are more vocal in much more interesting ways than others... I enjoy this thread (and that one too).
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2010-07-20 , 00:39
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If Nokia won't use Android - as stated before in order to preserve their "unique" ecosystem and/or environment - then why would any manufacturer use MeeGo?
Because MeeGo is effectively a neutral party. It is not controlled solely by a single entity that has a vested interest in displacing your services in favor of theirs, and does not create a dependency on an entity that might choose (however unlikely) to cease development at some point in the future.

That's huge from a risk mitigation and forward looking standpoint. It's the very same thing drawing companies to the Linux kernel.

If you want vendors that provide MeeGo alongside Android, look at any handset vendor currently offering Android. They want market but, like Samsung and Motorola, they want to provide services as well (since hardware isn't really that special.)

That said, I don't see myself buying Motorola anything if their current attitude towards the Droid X is any indication.

Now, what does this mean for end-users? Very little, just like it does now. So long as the user experience delivered on handsets is good and there is a critical mass of both "App Store" developers and end-users, it'll grow. The only things that are up in the air right now are if uptake will happen (if you build it, they will come) and if those who do pick it up will force us to root/jailbreak our device or let us install a "rootsh" package and be done with it.
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2010-07-20 , 00:56
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Android is not concise IMO, I do preffer Maemo... only thing Android is better is that it's almost Java to programming, it has better style in UI (I mean only colors and shapes, I preffer Maemo's UI better in terms of organizations and stuff) and it has more apps/users.
 
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2010-07-20 , 02:10
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Because MeeGo is effectively a neutral party. It is not controlled solely by a single entity that has a vested interest in displacing your services in favor of theirs, and does not create a dependency on an entity that might choose (however unlikely) to cease development at some point in the future.
I personally buy into the neutrality of MeeGo. Will the masses?

That's huge from a risk mitigation and forward looking standpoint. It's the very same thing drawing companies to the Linux kernel.
I don't see it as much as forward thinking as much as a natural progression given how badly Maemo was handled when it should have been handled differently and better. Nokia dragged it down.

If you want vendors that provide MeeGo alongside Android, look at any handset vendor currently offering Android. They want market but, like Samsung and Motorola, they want to provide services as well (since hardware isn't really that special.)
And that's why I dislike Nokia's lust for newer, faster hardware constantly. Hardware normally isn't that special - it shouldn't be. It's just the vessel that brings the experience; enhance it via services and make those a part of our life. Sure, a fast CPU is needed, but without the proper OS, without the proper services... you're just sitting on top of a really fast brick.

That said, I don't see myself buying Motorola anything if their current attitude towards the Droid X is any indication.
Locked down kernel? Or the whole eFuse thing? I thought all OMAP3 processors (SOC) came with that? If so... it's in the N900 too. Just not used.

I just don't see how MeeGo will attract folks. Samsung went that route because of Bada not being ready yet. Motorola went that route because... well, they were basically dead in the water. LG is going that way because they really don't have an OS. So what am I missing? I don't see who would want MeeGo outside of Nokia and LG on a handset.

But on a tablet... total different story.
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2010-07-20 , 02:11
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Nokia has proven with Maemo they know how to create a great ergonomical UI.
The UI has an unseen logic to it.
Smooth to the brain.

To an extent I wouldn't care if Nokia was to apply the Maemo user interface over Android to unleash the app store for the I need a new app every day crowd.

-IF it wasn't for Googles goals of "kinda in your face mobile advertisement" (Jonathan R, Google some manager: http://seekingalpha.com/article/2147...ipt?part=qanda )
-IF it wasn't that we do not need and want Google monitoring software on our pocket computer (that is hand holding for dumb smart phone users that don't know what is, let alone ever read an EULA)
http://gizmodo.com/5572510/google-re...curity-reasons


That said , Nokia might be working to give Meamo an Android paint because of their partner Intel telling them to bet on a proven concept that works to get quick cash today.
Our main concern should be telling Nokia not to immitate Android.

As Google says it: the most popular software is the browser. Am I alone not to need their "extra's" ?
 
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2010-07-20 , 03:39
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I think that Nokia should use the Android wave to boost the profile of Meego. Start a rumour of a handset with Android then launch it with Meego, assuming its a fully polished version, and isn't going to backfire.
 
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