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    Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android

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    stlpaul | # 101 | 2010-05-25, 21:35 | Report

    Maybe Lightspark will someday give us a usable alternative on N900:

    http://lightspark.sourceforge.net/

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    kevinm2k | # 102 | 2010-05-26, 10:20 | Report

    Im thinking if everyone starts posting on the adobe forum maybe they will start to think its viable??

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/2842996#2842996

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    Alex Atkin UK | # 103 | 2010-05-26, 11:05 | Report

    Originally Posted by The Arsonist View Post
    All reports on this are conflicting. If you check out the latest podcast from Engadget they say that at Google I/O, Google stated it wasn't going to be hardware accelerated, but the interview that Engadget conducted with Adobe Labs they specifically said the Nexus One is going to be hardware accelerated. No one really seems to know. Some believe that Adobe is kind of picking hairs by saying that because 2D may have software acceleration, but not 3D or it will only have acceleration for non-flv files and such. I've also heard reports that the Snapdragon platform on its one cannot have actual hardware acceleration(but I can't verify that outside of conversations with other gadget hobbyists). They really shouldn't call this mobile version 10.1 because people will think the experience will be the same as a desktop edition, when it really isn't. No one quite knows.

    Back to the topic of the thread, I think its a big ridiculous that Nokia can't make the effort to update Flash. As some have said, they've been demoing 10.1 on the N900 as early as Fall 2009(granted the reports may be incorrect about the version) and here we are 6 months later and Nokia has nothing concrete about the topic. I'm not even asking for hardware acceleration, but just allow us to see the content. I have no real idea of what the difference from Flash 9 to Flash 10(or even Flash 10 to Flash 10.1), but I don't understand why Flash is so fragmented in the sense that its not backwards compatible by any means.

    They really just need to do something because for this device to already be nearly done in a 6 month span is an extreme disappointment. I understood that the lack of apps was a shortcoming, but the Browser was meant to complete the experience, but without all the features of the Browser, the phone will be a bit disappointing. I haven't even finished paying the thing off yet!
    That is my point exactly. In the UK at least most people will get their devices on an 18 month or 24 month contract. I checked a few phones recently and they seem to really be pushing 24 month contracts now.

    So, if Nokia think NOT updating functionality on the N900 will get me to buy a newer model they have another thing coming. If by the time my contract is up my N900 has been officially unsupported for months, they will have lost a customer. They should at LEAST support the device for 18 months and ideally 2 years so that people who have contracts are well supported. If a device comparable to the N900 but faster with more RAM (hardware keyboard being essential) is available when my contract runs out, I will buy it. But if that device is by Nokia and my N900 had not been supported for months, I would take a long hard look for an alternative and potentially hold out until something comes from a company with a better track record of support. However if my N900 had been receiving updates up until that point I would buy the new Nokia in an instant.

    I always knew it was a risk buying Nokia (the fact I was aware of that speaks volumes for how Nokia are mistreating their customers) but was willing to risk it with the N900 as I knew it would still be usable even if they dropped support, but it doesn't mean I would take that risk twice if Nokia prove to be as inconsiderate of their customers as rumoured. This is entirely about goodwill and the chance of me buying another Nokia rests entirely on how well Nokia support my N900. Especially considering the chance that the first Meego device wont have a hardware keyboard and will have a capacitive touch-screen, two big factors for me getting N900 was keyboards and resistive touch-screen.

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    DrWilken | # 104 | 2010-07-21, 00:11 | Report

    Originally Posted by stlpaul View Post
    Maybe Lightspark will someday give us a usable alternative on N900:

    http://lightspark.sourceforge.net/
    http://allievi.sssup.it/techblog/?p=496

    "currently only for the i686 platform" - but that might change...

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    sygys | # 105 | 2010-07-21, 14:14 | Report

    Yeah well nokia sees their sales drop by the minute. iphone os and android are taking over the market fast. with this attitude of nokia they will run out of business very soon.

    I read because of this lack of making good devices nokia is seeking a new CEO (unofficialy read about it). Nokia with its old fashion way of working is destroying their company. they need to innovate very fast with less phones and great support! Not making a new phone for every new feature they come up with!

    I dont know how much longer it will take until nokia understands this.

    If the support yet again is dropped, this time for my n900, then this will be my last nokia also.

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    Bratag | # 106 | 2010-07-21, 14:23 | Report

    Originally Posted by sygys View Post
    Yeah well nokia sees their sales drop by the minute. iphone os and android are taking over the market fast. with this attitude of nokia they will run out of business very soon.

    I read because of this lack of making good devices nokia is seeking a new CEO (unofficialy read about it). Nokia with its old fashion way of working is destroying their company. they need to innovate very fast with less phones and great support! Not making a new phone for every new feature they come up with!

    I dont know how much longer it will take until nokia understands this.

    If the support yet again is dropped, this time for my n900, then this will be my last nokia also.
    I find it interesting you mention the iphone in a thread about flash. Given that it has never had (and chances are never will have) flash of any kind.

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    stenny | # 107 | 2010-07-21, 16:41 | Report

    Originally Posted by Bratag View Post
    I find it interesting you mention the iphone in a thread about flash. Given that it has never had (and chances are never will have) flash of any kind.
    This thread is only nominally about Flash. The real problem is Nokia's habit of releasing hardware and then almost immediately abandoning it. The symbian guys are used to it -- s60 3rd ed / 5th ed hurt a lot of people -- but a lot of Maemo users were attracted by the technology and weren't aware of Nokia's unwillingness to support the people who buy their phones.

    The other great example of this exists on this very form -- find the thread called "Fixed in fremantle and the diablo community ssu." Nokia used to be great about OS support on the N-series internet tablets. They even released a "hacker edition" of maemo 4 that would work on the oldest tablets. Then they started planning Fremantle, and the minute that happened the Diablo users were screwed forever. Ironically, the last big update for Diable enabled installing updates over the air, so you didn't have to reflash... and then the updates stopped coming. Fremantle killed Diablo over a year before the Fremantle SDK even came out.

    The Flash thing is the most pressing current problem caused by Nokia's inability to give a crap about the people who buy their products; we bought a phone advertised as having 'full flash support' and now most flash sites tell us to get lost.

    Flash 10.1 is a symptom of a real problem, and any thread about Flash is going to have comments talking about that problem. Everyone knows this by now (except you, apparently). Say what you will about Apple; at least they support their goddamn phones.

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    Laughing Man | # 108 | 2010-07-22, 00:22 | Report

    Originally Posted by stenny View Post
    This thread is only nominally about Flash. The real problem is Nokia's habit of releasing hardware and then almost immediately abandoning it. The symbian guys are used to it -- s60 3rd ed / 5th ed hurt a lot of people -- but a lot of Maemo users were attracted by the technology and weren't aware of Nokia's unwillingness to support the people who buy their phones.

    The other great example of this exists on this very form -- find the thread called "Fixed in fremantle and the diablo community ssu." Nokia used to be great about OS support on the N-series internet tablets. They even released a "hacker edition" of maemo 4 that would work on the oldest tablets. Then they started planning Fremantle, and the minute that happened the Diablo users were screwed forever. Ironically, the last big update for Diable enabled installing updates over the air, so you didn't have to reflash... and then the updates stopped coming. Fremantle killed Diablo over a year before the Fremantle SDK even came out.
    Err... Nokia has never been great about supporting any of their devices including Maemo. They've always relied heavily on the community for the community supported releases prolonging the life of the older tablets.

    Edit: To add it on, most of the Maemo users coming from the older NITs were hoping to see Nokia actually support Maemo instead of what they have been doing. And to a certain extent they are making the right steps (putting it out in the open so Maemo isn't just running on Nokia devices, QT cross compatibility) but the customer and OS support is same old same old. Which most Maemo users were hoping was going change.

    It's personally why I won't buy a Meego device from Nokia. As much as I like the Maemo platform and the devices themselves, I won't buy another from Nokia given their terrible [official] support strategy.

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    imperiallight | # 109 | 2010-07-25, 18:32 | Report

    Getting Skyfire over would do the trick too...

    http://www.androidguys.com/2010/06/2...ash-101-video/

    Seen as symbian is opensource, some weird backport should be possible.

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    BuGi | # 110 | 2010-07-25, 21:36 | Report

    I don't know why it's taking flash 10.1 so much time to arrive? adobe showed flash 10.1 on n900 ages ago.

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