gerbick | # 231 | 2010-07-31, 01:33 | Report

He's gonna need a bib.

And a towel.

geohsia | # 232 | 2010-07-31, 03:31 | Report

Without starting from the beginning. Absolutely nothing makes sense about their strategy. How long will Harmattan UI last? Let's see 6 months?

To your questions regarding what devices are still supported from 2007, the first generation iPhone just stopped getting iOS updates, but it got all the way up to iOS 3. Now just because the original iPhone won't get iOS 4 doesn't mean it won't still get patch updates to iOS 3.

I get that they want MeeGo to succeed and I also get that it won't be ready until next year. Harmattan shouldn't exist though, as a stand-alone non backward compatible OS to Fremantle. At some point Harmattan branched off Fremantle, they should have merged all bug fixes and minor upgrades back to the Fremantle release source tree and created a new release, whether that be 5.5 or whatever. Oh, and BTW, the first device that would have run that release should have been the N8. Yeah, it screws up their numbering but who cares about Symbian S^3. Kill it. I wish someone would have the guts to say Linux is it for Nokia Smartphones, but honestly I don't expect the guys in Nokia HQ to have the guts to make any decisions like that. Instead they keep adding more OS projects to work on.

Harmattan / MeeGo / S^3 / S^4 in what the next year / year and a half?

Can ANYONE tell me why they really needed to redo things every 6 months. MAEMO is GOOD ENOUGH!!!! Run that until MeeGo is ready then whole hog move the entire Nokia smartphone universe to MeeGo.

Here's another reason why the quad-OS strategy is stupid. Remember PR 1.2? Software gets delayed and guess what hardware too. So plans are one thing by the time we get to meego and S^4 where will iOS be and where will Android be? They'll have spent at least another year building their customer base where as Nokia has by then abandoned Maemo, Harmattan and S^3 customers. GREAT strategy. How does that make any sense again?

danramos | # 233 | 2010-07-31, 04:51 | Report

Should I be glad you thought of me first when you saw that?
Already saw it. Already soiled my pants and changed 'em. Thanks. heheh
It's nice to have a product that keeps pushing out significant upgrades (not just small fixes) every once in a while over the past year.

Yeah! STAY ON TOPIC, PEOPLE!! ...I pronounce it May-mo too.

gerbick | # 234 | 2010-07-31, 05:37 | Report

I feel like stirring the hornet's nest a bit.

Why would I purchase anything Nokia in the future? 8810, 8890, 7190, 770, N810... I know I'm missing some in there; however the last two were well-built, but dead end products before they had outlived their usefulness.

So no. I will not buy a May-mo product and I will have to be really convinced to support a Mee-Goh product as well. Perhaps if Harr-matt-en was coming with A-dough-bee Flash Ten Point One and perhaps less con-foo-shun I'd be on the waiting list.

Pass the MOcha.

chaoscreater | # 235 | 2010-07-31, 05:56 | Report

Yes, but i've yet to see anything spectacular or evolved ever since N900 launched. The OVI Store is pathetic, sure the App Manager is awesome with the Extra Testing/Devel but those are still being developed and not completed.

Overall, Maemo 5 is just not the end of the product line. It's just like Windows Vista, a piece of crap, but when Windows 7 came out, it was awesome.


I love the N900 and of course it has potential, hell it's open source and just full of pure awesomeness (that's exactly why I missed it, and bought it AGAIN). But compare to Android and iPhone, it's just so far behind and so much to catch up.


I own a lot of phones and have used pretty much EVERY mobile platforms there are. I've been involved in each of the communities as well. Just to give a list, i've used:

UIQ3 (W950i) -> (used to be Sony Ericsson, but it's now dead technology and now open source)
Symbian S60
Maemo 5 (N900)
Android (i had the Nexus One & HTC Desire but sold them)
Iphone


and each and one of them, i've tweaked, hacked, overclocked and pretty much used them to the max and exploited everything possible.


My point is, N900 is probably one of the best i've ever used, but it really needs to do something big to catch up, i had a look at Meego and it looked MEH to me, so ya hopefully the N900 will prevail in the future.

danramos | # 236 | 2010-07-31, 05:58 | Report

You heard it here, folks!

te37v | # 237 | 2010-07-31, 06:08 | Report

I pronounce it "mammal"

chaoscreater | # 238 | 2010-07-31, 06:12 | Report

sorry i wasn't being clear, what i mean is, the Maemo 5 isn't the completed end-of-line product, Meego is. So just like Windows Vista, it was suppose to be Windows 7, but it was released anyway. I believe the Windows Millennium is the same case, and then Windows XP came out after.

Of course, N900 is a beast and is awesome, but i'm just using the Window version example to show that it's really the same thing.

danramos | # 239 | 2010-07-31, 06:22 | Report

Whoa... where does Windows NT 4 and Windows 2000 fit in there? Are you sure MeeGo isn't going to just end up being Windows NT 3.51, 4 and 2000 before it ever finally gets even to XP before it ends up back at Vista again? Clearly, you're saying Maemo was the DOS+Windows lineage versus the MeeGo being NT lineage. At least, I hope that's kind of what you're saying.

Somehow, I think your Windows analogy falls apart.

gerbick | # 240 | 2010-07-31, 06:27 | Report

You guys are killing me with the Windows analogies.

WinNT begat Windows 2000, which begat Windows XP, which begat WIndows Vista which begat Windows 7.

Windows 95, which never used the WinNT kernel, begat Win98, Windows Millennium... and that's where it died.

Two Window lines that really didn't mix outside of UI and drivers. At the kernel level, they are totally different beasts.

MeeGo is the Windows 95 to Windows 2.0 comparison. There's a step in there that was popular (Maemo 5/Windows 3.11) but it's a step backward to almost all but the most loyal, 5.25" floppy waving Windows 2.0 lovin' soul that I've had the misfortune of crossing paths with in my life.

They exist. And I don't know why.

And stop it with the Windows analogies. It offends my inner MCSE.

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