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djkrikke is offline djkrikke
2010-08-10 , 21:20
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Ranarr,

In your first post you're saying you want to buy an N900 of ebay, and that it's probably a risky situation. I can't approve nor deny that ebay is risky, like in all cases it depends on the person you deal with.

I see you are still looking into the details of the N900 and if the device fully fits you.

Myself, I liked using it in my personal life because of the open minded OS, it's keyboard and actually a pretty good camera. It's really great to have a terminal on pocket-size device, install software that's available on the desktop and browsing on a webbrowser that isn't (or almost not limited) in it's functionality. However, the choice is up to you, depending on the alternatives you like.

If perhaps you are convinced about the N900 and would like to buy one, I just want to let you know that I am currently selling my device, and would like to meet the same price as you are suggesting in your first post. This way you have some more assurance of a correct deal. The device is in very good condition and its just being work less right now, which is pretty sad.

Could you perhaps contact me on djkrikke-at-gmail.com if you are interested, or have any more questions about the N900 itself? I would have asked this by PM if that was possible, but it looks I can't sent any PM's right now?

Good luck on the conclusion part!
 
aligatro is offline aligatro
2010-08-10 , 21:27
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
True.. but this is my phone and I have to use it..

I make apps to make my life easier.. if other people find them useful.. that's just icing on the cake.

Hence why I am very particular when I say the N900 is the best for me. (not for everyone) If I'm writing something for me on Android I have to be at my desk, with the SDK and environment started, and code it. Then compile it to an APK.. then load it on the phone.

Now I'm at work using my new App and CRAP.. crash. Now I get to wait until I get home to fix the bug.

OTOH: With my N900 and pyRadio (as an example).. I listen to Pandora at work and if I notice a skip/crash/bug/etc.. I can actually drop to a shell.. open vi to my python file.. fix the bug right now.. and just load it up to extras when I get home.

Yeah I'm selfish.. I know.
Well it's possible to chroot other linux system when running android, so you can do shell scripting and probably even have a full compiler. So, you should be able to run console programs no prob.
 

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2010-08-10 , 21:33
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To the OP,

A @marcguim on twitter had a coupon code to get a new N900 from Dell at $379, check it out and hope you are not late... The guy is the responsible for thenokiablog.com, so no risk on using that coupon at Dell..

For your preferences and the use you will give to your new device, the N900 is almost perfect, that simple.

Only caveat is lack of commercial games but on the other hand, you have all the emulators to play with, and even the gamegripper...

Hope it helps.
 
fatalsaint is offline fatalsaint
2010-08-10 , 21:37
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Originally Posted by aligatro View Post
Well it's possible to chroot other linux system when running android, so you can do shell scripting and probably have a full compiler. So, you should be able to run console programs no prob.
Console programs you have ASE for (Android Scripting Environment)... that's why I specifically focused on UI development.

One of the coolest things I like about Maemo, and the predecessor N8x0, and the future MeeGo... PyQt4.

Hate QT or love it, *shrug*.. using PyQt4 I get the same flexibility as Android (it'll run on any device supported Python and QT), and also the ease of development that comes with a scripting language vice C/C++ or Java.

If I develop for Android, I'm stuck with Android. If I develop for Apple, I'm stuck with Apple. The alternative is to create two or three complete rewrites of the same app for Apple and Android. If I develop in PyQt4.. the exact same code and app can be made to run without alteration on my Desktop (be it Linux or Windows or Mac), on my N8x0, on my N900, on future MeeGo devices (once PyQt4 is ported to it), and we may even possibly see it on Symbian someday? There's Python for the S60 I think, and Symbian ^4 will have QT.. so...

And who knows.. since Android supports Python.. maybe someone someday may be able to get the PyQt4 working in Android.. and then my app will probably run there, too!

You have to be a rather particular person to care about having a full GNU/Linux stack on your phone, as well as full scripting capabilities on the device. So, like religion - It's not for everyone.. but for those of us the N900 fits, there is no alternative (yet) on the market .
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2010-08-10 , 22:39
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#35
Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
You have to be a rather particular person to care about having a full GNU/Linux stack on your phone, as well as full scripting capabilities on the device. So, like religion - It's not for everyone.. but for those of us the N900 fits, there is no alternative (yet) on the market .
Sadly, I'm with you on almost all your points--but none of it makes up for the hardware being manufactured and supported by Nokia. Nothing in the world is worthwhile about a product if you can't even get spare parts or get it replaced right away so that it doesn't effect your work or personal life.

I'll wait for someone else to make a MeeGo device, for now, Android does pretty good and its support is VASTLY better, despite the potential in Maemo and MeeGo.
 
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2010-08-10 , 22:40
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Originally Posted by aligatro View Post
But n900 already has an Android. It might take some time for devs to implement all of the drivers for it and polish it at the end, but it's already here.
And no... it doesn't "has an Android"... it's STARTING to "has an Android". Not quite there yet, certainly not in a way that I could recommend to someone who's considering getting an Android phone.
 
fatalsaint is offline fatalsaint
2010-08-10 , 22:47
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Sadly, I'm with you on almost all your points--but none of it makes up for the hardware being manufactured and supported by Nokia. Nothing in the world is worthwhile about a product if you can't even get spare parts or get it replaced right away so that it doesn't effect your work or personal life.

I'll wait for someone else to make a MeeGo device, for now, Android does pretty good and its support is VASTLY better, despite the potential in Maemo and MeeGo.
See but I've never really needed any of that on any of my phones *knock on wood*.

When my phones break I typically just buy new ones.. I don't mess with warranties, manufacturers, etc.

I thought lack of spare Stylus' would be an issue with the N810 but I still actually have mine from years ago..

I am really worried about my USB port, of course, but short of that ... what I deal with mostly on all my phones is the OS.. not really the hardware. I didn't like Android.. I love Maemo. It "just works" the way I expect it to (of course, it's exactly the same as my desktop. This isn't a plus for most people as Linux doesn't "just work" for them as they don't know it, I know what to expect from Linux.)

I rooted my Android phone and dropped to a Terminal and... nothin'. Commands missing, the commands that were there missing vital switches that even bastardized busybox gives you.. just all kinds of goofy. Meh.

Android works... but nothing is quite like Linux. If I have to put up with Nokia for a little while longer to get it.. so be it. After all.. I have to give Nokia credit for making a full linux phone to begin with..
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2010-08-11 , 02:31
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Ok well I've decided on the N900, but for the love of god Im helpless with Linux and "terminals" but I really do want to learn.

Alot of the stuff I've been reading has gone right over my head but I know the common stuff (To me atleast) such as Qt, Python, java. I've been looking for "Tutorials" but cant seem to find any.

Also, when I look at other posts on what to put in the terminal it seems like another language.

PS: Is anyone good with the Linux OS? I need personal help with a problem thats come up and I need an intermediate/experienced users help.
 
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2010-08-11 , 03:03
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Originally Posted by Ranarr View Post
PS: Is anyone good with the Linux OS? I need personal help with a problem thats come up and I need an intermediate/experienced users help.
Several of us here have significant Linux, Unix, all forms of *nix administration experience. Go ahead and either start a new thread with your problem, or you can post it here in this one, and I am sure you will get a few responses.

Doesn't even need to be N900 related.. we've had people ask Ubuntu/Red Hat/etc problems here.. though it is less common, obviously.
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2010-08-11 , 03:14
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Originally Posted by Ranarr View Post
Also, when I look at other posts on what to put in the terminal it seems like another language.
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PS: Is anyone good with the Linux OS? I need personal help with a problem thats come up and I need an intermediate/experienced users help
I can help.

Also, about Maemo's terminal: There are very few differences between Maemo's terminal and any other Linux distro.

First: Sudo. It doesn't work exactly the same as other distros. Generally you don't use sudo, you either run "sudo gainroot" which works like "su -" or you use rootsh, which runs any command that follows it as root - so basically it's better to use rootsh in place of sudo.

The only other differences are that you use sfdisk instead of fdisk, and there are no man pages by default, but you can add them from the Maemo dev. tools repo.
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