Despite of discussion going on here I finally bought some SD card and installed NITDroid to check flash 10.1 on N900.
Whole installation process was very smooth with new dj_steve toys . Thanks for that guys!
As soon as I could I've hit my testing flash builds. I was in shock.
Flash 10.1 on NITDroid not GPU drivers as we know, half ported on device that wasn't intent to have Android at all, with some bottlenecks gave me this result.
50000 iterations drawing some boring squares
NITDroid / N900 /All overkills
using old drawing API (FLASH 9) 370ms
using (flash 10+) drawing API 17ms
my old good PC AMD 3200+ 2GB RAM basic GPU
using old drawing API (FLASH 9) 130ms
using (flash 10+) drawing API 17ms
Give me only one reason why as Flash developer should keep developing in flash 9 especially for mobile web based apps. Then I will give you around 50 why I should. And all will be for good for customer.
Transition in Flash development will take a while but its required both. Technology / hardware support, and content needs to be updated.
It will not happen one magic day but for sure will happen. Every single production taking place considering mobile market since access to Android market is lucrative opportunity that cannot be missed.
Lack of Flash 10.1 on Maemo is huge drawback for Nokia. They just missed big point and potential. Doesn't matter what you think about flash or all crappy pseudo devs that working on bad flash reputation 24/7. Even they can succeeds because at the end of the day the right moment is important. To get content that everyone is talking about. Even if you are not enjoying it at least you have seen it. That's what is matter in today's world.
"I wont here and now."
Another one thing is Flash dev community is big, sharing a lot of stuff in Open Source manner. It is potential group of ppl that can provide tones of apps even you are ignorant to flash and don;t know to many or just don't need it. Trust me with AIR on n900 I would be able to reproduce most of existing apps in AS3, much quicker, looks nicer and in some cases will be faster and less processor hog like sometimes unfortunately happening here.
Big thanks to you dj_steve once again for NITDROID port. it is not ideal but just for Flash development purposes good enough to at least check how it works and feels on it. Shame ... since Memo OS is much better and polished OS IMHO. Flash 10.1 and AIR could make it complete for many ppl here I believe.
I am keep running some performance tests and thinking about abandon flaemo flash 9 support because it requires 2x more time and effort to keep all this compatibility issues on track. And still the last question remains. Is it worth it? Flash 9 content It's a way to slow. People here seems to be happy with Flash 9 basically don't need anything more from flash or just don't using it at all. Those who wont more and keep up with current version will find the other way anyway...
If somebody here is interesting in flash development for mobile devices and need some help or want to help please drop me an email.
All the best folks
Flash 10.1 final and Froyo play content on the Incredible FAR better than I thought possible, and I am a picky SOB.
If you check out the bugzilla for MeeGo, you will find that the WebKit based Fennec browser that is being incorporated already has Flash 10.1 in it. I am surprised no one has been investigating porting MeeGo flash 10.1 to Maemo 5 yet. Maybe they are more interested in throwing fits here at tmo?
If you check out the bugzilla for MeeGo, you will find that the WebKit based Fennec browser that is being incorporated already has Flash 10.1 in it. I am surprised no one has been investigating porting MeeGo flash 10.1 to Maemo 5 yet. Maybe they are more interested in throwing fits here at tmo?
It doesn't exist in the vanilla Meego build yet. But after vanilla Meego is released (if Flash ships with it at all) then I'm sure people would look at it.
But just to point out, it's possible Nokia might just ship Flash 10.1 with Meego-Harmattan not for vanilla Meego due to licensing.
If you check out the bugzilla for MeeGo, you will find that the WebKit based Fennec browser that is being incorporated already has Flash 10.1 in it. I am surprised no one has been investigating porting MeeGo flash 10.1 to Maemo 5 yet. Maybe they are more interested in throwing fits here at tmo?
It's actually been talked about. And it's a very good thing; however nobody knows exactly how well it will/will not work yet. Being worked on versus already something to use/play with are two different things.
In the United States the laws were changed in July by Congress to allow owners of any device to add any software they please without having to go through the manufacturer of their device (was aimed at Apple) and without fear of voiding the device warrantee. This means that in the USA at least, Adobe no longer has an excuse for not releasing Flash 10.1 to N900/Maemo 5 owners.
In the United States the laws were changed in July by Congress to allow owners of any device to add any software they please without having to go through the manufacturer of their device (was aimed at Apple) and without fear of voiding the device warrantee. This means that in the USA at least, Adobe no longer has an excuse for not releasing Flash 10.1 to N900/Maemo 5 owners.
Yes they do. It's called larger business interests.
In the United States the laws were changed in July by Congress to allow owners of any device to add any software they please without having to go through the manufacturer of their device (was aimed at Apple) and without fear of voiding the device warrantee. This means that in the USA at least, Adobe no longer has an excuse for not releasing Flash 10.1 to N900/Maemo 5 owners.
So I can put the planet tracking software used by NASA on my any device because I own the device and it would please me and NASA has to provide the software to me because that would please me?
In the United States the laws were changed in July by Congress to allow owners of any device to add any software they please without having to go through the manufacturer of their device (was aimed at Apple) and without fear of voiding the device warrantee. This means that in the USA at least, Adobe no longer has an excuse for not releasing Flash 10.1 to N900/Maemo 5 owners.
Not exactly. You're speaking of Jailbreak. If someone Jailbreaks a phone and adds Flash and it doesn't work, Apple is within its rights to ask you to restore it to base iOS for support. It doesn't mean they have to support broken code they don't have access to and don't ever want to touch.
That aside, the problem here isn't Adobe!!!! Adobe doesn't write the code for Maemo. They can, but the reponsibility here is Nokia. If Maemo was as popular as iOS then Adobe might put in the effort, but since Nokia killed Maemo, it is up to Nokia now to provide support.
So you're barking up the wrong tree! Nokia got us into this mess and only Nokia can get us out. And by the way, Adobe never had any restriction on the Maemo platform before July or after.
If you check out the bugzilla for MeeGo, you will find that the WebKit based Fennec browser that is being incorporated already has Flash 10.1 in it. I am surprised no one has been investigating porting MeeGo flash 10.1 to Maemo 5 yet. Maybe they are more interested in throwing fits here at tmo?
Wait. Hold up!
Fennec is Firefox for Mobile which is Mozilla, which I guess is what, Gecko? As far as I know there is no Webkit based Fennec.
When MeeGo gets Flash that would be the natural choice to port over to Maemo.
. Thanks for that guys!