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Originally Posted by Benson View Post
Fair enough. I predict the Nokia device wins, because it will come with 4GB of RAM integrated in the SoC;
This is unlikely on strictly technical grounds.
 
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"That's just Riisku's wierd batshit. Ahtisaari hasn't even been there long enough for his work to show in any products."

Ahtisaari has been working at Nokia before. He was design director or director of design, maybe he did or did not have the mandate to actually do something but he had started many projects (more than 20) and failed.

Then he left, joined an other company, sold it to Nokia and now he is back again.

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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
Yep, those same analysts seem to think that Nokia should ditch Symbian and Meego and start building Android phones like others do.
Can't say I've seen many suggest that in all seriousness, most seem happy with the current software strategy, it's the execution that is the problem.

Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
Problem is that most of those analysts seem to look at the issue from strictly US market point of view, which is not the whole picture.
While such analysts exist there are also those that give a verdict based on Nokias overall, global, performance. And it's pretty much the same verdict.

Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
If Nokia is successful in most of other markets,
The problem is that while Nokia remain successful, the trends suggest they won't remain so for much longer. Even in markets such as India where Nokia dominate with 40% market share (by volume of sales) Nokia are facing intense competition and lost 25% market share (based on value) in the last year alone, due mainly to the emergence of 18+ new Indian mobile phone manufacturers during the past couple of years.

Nokia are being squeezed heavily on price at the low end, and need to start adding real value while also cutting costs else they will start to make a financial loss in markets where they still have majority market share.

So while Nokia are successful, I suppose it depends on how you judge success at the end of the day - turnover is vanity, profit is sanity, cash is reality. Unless the situation changes Nokia may only be hitting the first of those benchmarks.

Whether Nokia can turn this around is still unknown but Elop should be able to answer it.

Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
Personally I don't care where the new CEO comes from. I only want Nokia to succeed (which is quite natural for stock holder), stay independent and keep their HQ in Finland. Elop seems to be a safe bet, I just hope he's capable of doing right things. If not, well... fortunately there won't be emotional barriers keeping from booting him out.
+1 (but I'll go further, I don't care where anyone at Nokia comes from as long as they do the business! And if they fail, get rid.)
 

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Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
there, I fixed it to be less fud (Fckd Up stuff from Danramos)
heh, despite the fact that I think you were insulting me, I couldn't help laughing.
 

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Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
Can't say I've seen many suggest that in all seriousness, most seem happy with the current software strategy, it's the execution that is the problem.
I have seen mostly ranting about Symbian and how anything they do to it is never enough. Some of it may be fair but not all, they never give any consideration to good features of Symbian (ie. good optimization of resources so that you can actually have a powerful device that can actually be used for couple of days with one charge...). Most of time they compare it to Android. Some suggested that Elop would move Nokia to Android, as if Nokia didn't have any software strategy at all. It's actually a bit funny that they dig out every single feature/mishap on Symbian they don't like but at the same time, they never mention a single word about Android's shortcomings.

To me it seems like parroting "average joe's knowledge" on things without any deeper understanding on actual technology behind OS's and software. Kind of "everybody knows earth is flat" wisdom. This also explains why they rarely mention anything about MeeGo. Unfortunately bad information becomes fact in eyes of the people when they read it from newspaper. It's hard to fix afterwards.

Nokia are being squeezed heavily on price at the low end, and need to start adding real value while also cutting costs else they will start to make a financial loss in markets where they still have majority market share.
Of course they are. Competition is getting much more fierce than it used to be a while ago. Nokia got too arrogant after they practically annihilated the competition for some time and now they suffer from it. However, there's no reason why they couldn't get back to competition, N8 is promising and I can hardly wait to get my hands on E7 (N900 cannot be used with crappy Lotus Notes, so it will be my personal device only). Afterall, even in it's darkest hours Nokia actually made profit, same cannot be said about some of their competitors. I have high hopes for Elop to kick some speed to software side of things, but I do hope he is wise enough not to buy that "switch to Android and make couple of analysts happy for couple articles"-crap.

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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Aren't Finland and Scandanavia just part of Europe anyway? You know, like that American guy that Nokia just hired on as the new CEO.
Depends...

Finland certainly is considered North Europe in Risk (tm) but their language isn't related to the other Northern European countries except Iceland.

Originally Posted by Jukkaka View Post
"That's just Riisku's wierd batshit. Ahtisaari hasn't even been there long enough for his work to show in any products."

Ahtisaari has been working at Nokia before. He was design director or director of design, maybe he did or did not have the mandate to actually do something but he had started many projects (more than 20) and failed.

Then he left, joined an other company, sold it to Nokia and now he is back again.

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Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
Trying to copy Steve Jobs again ehhh... someone should patent this!
The tech world has quite a lot of these incestuous relationships. Palm and Handspring are another example.
 
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Anssi Vanjoki will speak at Meego summit in June 2011 ?

http://www.meegosummitoulu.com/
 
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Well, either that keynote page was made before he left, or WebOS will start using MeeGo as a base (wink wink )
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You're thinking of Ari Jaaksi, AIUI Ansi Vanjoki is still @Nokia working the remainder of his 6-month notice period. That will have expired by June though, so the keynote is most probably outdated info.
 

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