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Originally Posted by yorg
That is exactly the difference Nokia is not a company that adopts Symbian or MeeGo. It's a company that develops them. And they also produce hardware. Google and Microsoft also tried to venture in the hardware market (Nexus was made by HTC alright but it was a google branded phone - who knows what the plan was) but failed miserably.
Can you elaborate more on how this makes any difference? The end goal is to create one or more OS for mobile devices. How is a company that adopts Android in any different shape than a company that adopts Symbian or Meego?
It doesn't matter how many parties are used to develop the OS. It is one product they are working for and their aim is to dominate the market with that product, otherwise what's the point of even trying.
I can assume that the place that nokia is (hardware vendor with it's own software and software vendor for others at the same time) is where everybody wants to be.
Ms Kin, Google Nexus, and Samsung Bada all smelled like that. Bada is the last one alive...
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Just business as usual.
Google isn't dumb. Samsung isn't dumb. htc isn't dumb.
Being Android 'serfs', they certainly get plenty of benefits too.
Sure, if Nokia can take off with S*3/4 and/or MeeGo, then their potential gain is high. That is, IF they can pull something off that they've failed to do for the past few years again and again.
Then there's Ovi. And their constant internal flux.
And Apple, Google and RIM are not standing still either.
It's a tough winter out there.
Nokia may pee in their pants if they can't control themselves.
Google isn't dumb. Samsung isn't dumb. htc isn't dumb.
Being Android 'serfs', they certainly get plenty of benefits too.
Sure, if Nokia can take off with S*3/4 and/or MeeGo, then their potential gain is high. That is, IF they can pull something off that they've failed to do for the past few years again and again.
Then there's Ovi. And their constant internal flux.
And Apple, Google and RIM are not standing still either.
It's a tough winter out there.
Nokia may pee in their pants if they can't control themselves.
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Originally Posted by qwazix
So if google also made its own hardware, the adopters of Android would not be "peeing in their pants to warm up" any more?
That is exactly the difference Nokia is not a company that adopts Symbian or MeeGo. It's a company that develops them. And they also produce hardware. Google and Microsoft also tried to venture in the hardware market (Nexus was made by HTC alright but it was a google branded phone - who knows what the plan was) but failed miserably.
I can assume that the place that nokia is (hardware vendor with it's own software and software vendor for others at the same time) is where everybody wants to be.
Ms Kin, Google Nexus, and Samsung Bada all smelled like that. Bada is the last one alive...
Nokia wants others to adopt Symbian as much as Google wants others to adopt Android. The matter of choice will of course always be there, unless Google manages to produce such a strong offering that no other OS can survive.
There are more things than just the OS to differentiate a device after all.
To me Anssi's statement sounds like a classic case of cognitive dissonance.
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Originally Posted by Rauha
Yes, I think Google's true colors are a question mark, but I think we'll have good answers by the end of 2011.
HTC seems to be taking first steps out of Google's "All your non-harware revenue are belong to us" trap with Google Maps alternative. Will be intersting to see how it goes.
For the sake of argument, let's say Google is evil. By evil, I mean Embrace Extend Extinguish. Then the question is, how are they different from Microsoft? For me, it's because they learned from Microsoft's biggest mistake: You actually have to be better than the other guy.
Google is full steam ahead, but they know how to admit mistakes and regroup. Google Wave is a great example; it was a bit too much and they nuked it. Now, it looks like they're taking the useful pieces and reformulating them.
So, I don't know yet whether they're good or evil, but they seem to know the difference between the right and wrong way to do things. And it all trickles down from the top. The ego, or lack there of, of a CEO is always telling.
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I think Anssi - love his choice of wording btw - is fairly right. He of course means mostly manufacturers, not the end users. Especially if Google goes through with their purpoted plans with 3.0 Gingerbread UI of eliminating the possibilities of device manufacturers to create their own custom UI's, the game for the manufacturers very quickly comes down to who can create the cheapest appealing hardware running the same software. Similar to what happened in the desktop world a long time ago. Companies like HTC especially would not like that at all, since they want to create 'additional value' - i.e. more expensive devices to sell - through customizing the default Android experience.
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This article is ridiculous. To say that a single-OS/multi-device strategy doesn't work from a profitability standpoint is to ignore the last two decades of Windows computers, and the respective companies producing them that have come to dominate the industry.
With this level of 'foresight' it's not surprising he was fired.
With this level of 'foresight' it's not surprising he was fired.
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Originally Posted by ragnar
Well, then your analogy fails. I don't remember Dell, Gateway, Acer, ..., etc. rewriting the MS Windows UI.
I think Anssi - love his choice of wording btw - is fairly right. He of course means mostly manufacturers, not the end users. Especially if Google goes through with their purpoted plans with 3.0 Gingerbread UI of eliminating the possibilities of device manufacturers to create their own custom UI's, the game for the manufacturers very quickly comes down to who can create the cheapest appealing hardware running the same software. Similar to what happened in the desktop world a long time ago. Companies like HTC especially would not like that at all, since they want to create 'additional value' - i.e. more expensive devices to sell - through customizing the default Android experience.
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2010-09-21
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt
Yes and no.
This article is ridiculous. To say that a single-OS/multi-device strategy doesn't work from a profitability standpoint is to ignore the last two decades of Windows computers, and the respective companies producing them that have come to dominate the industry.
With this level of 'foresight' it's not surprising he was fired.
I think understanding that the computer market has been commoditized and that profits are shrinking because everyone is selling the same thing is a challenge. It is in this environment though that Apple is able to charge so much. A) because they do make nice product and B) because it isn't Windows. That's Nokia's challenge, bring differentiation and quality. We'll see if they can do that.
In the Android market, the reason there is so much fragmentation is because there are so many players. They have to stand out from every other Android vendor. Nokia if they joined Android would undoubtedly have to do the same, so Android or not, there's still plenty of work to be done, though presumably not as much with Android.
The bottom line for me is, I think it would be nice for Nokia to run Android, but I think the mobile market is still young enough that they can take another big player. The market is still developing. Cloud services are still being worked on. It's too early to call game over.
If after MeeGo releases, everything goes south and no one buys one S^3 or MeeGo phone, how long would it take for Nokia to crank out Android phones? For them, probably not very long. I just don't think they're done fighting.
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Originally Posted by daperl
They're not (well, except some of them do try to cram on their additional 'useful' pieces of software on top of the OEM builds). But that's the game that they're then playing: the profit margins are much lower than what is currently achieved through selling mobile devices. There are a gazillion smaller manufacturers all competing for the same piece of pie.
Well, then your analogy fails. I don't remember Dell, Gateway, Acer, ..., etc. rewriting the MS Windows UI.
I'm not sure many companies like HTC or Samsung or Motorola want to turn out to be the new Acers and Gateways (no disrespect to those companies as such).
It'll be very interesting to see anyway what Google does in 3.0.
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