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2007-10-17 , 18:27
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I simply can't understand why they ditched the full-size SD format to go mini-SD.. Nokia made a clear mistake with the RS-MMC on the 770 (look at those threads where people try to hack together hardware to support micro-SD, just to get out of the RS-MMC jail). They got it right on the N800: full-size SD, so that your internet tablet can be the common nominator for all your SD/MMC family devices. And now they changed it _again_, this time to an inferior format?

It's such an old, limited style of thinking: "you can get 8GB mini-SD now, and probably more in the future, so just go buy yourself one and put into the N810". But hey! The point of removable memory cards is that you can _interchange_ them with other devices. If I were to get an N810, what would I a) do with my old full-size SD cards for the old N800? b) suddenly I would also be unable to put cards from my other devices into the NIT "media central": My still camera uses SDHC, my video camera uses SDHC, my 4-track Zoom recorder uses SD, and I have three other devices that use either SD or MMC. All useless with the N810.
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2007-10-17 , 18:32
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Inferior format???

TA, the trend is toward smaller formats. And given the availability of adapters, I don't see this as an issue... EDIT: except for using legacy cards.
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2007-10-17 , 18:40
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OK, on the Nokia site it is clearly said:
Support for compatible miniSD and microSD memory cards (with extender). Supports cards up to 8GB. (SD cards over 2GB must be SDHC compatible.)
extender for mini/micro SD and
SD cards over 2GB must be SDHC compatible.
What can't you understand guys? It is god damned SD. Not miniSD. It's just only one, not two.


And my big question is: USB Host? A? A? AAA?
 
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2007-10-17 , 18:45
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Originally Posted by MoridinBG View Post
OK, on the Nokia site it is clearly said:

extender for mini/micro SD and

What can't you understand guys? It is god damned SD. Not miniSD. It's just only one, not two.
http://www.engadget.com/gallery/noki...nds-on/443962/
I think it's miniSD slot.
 
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2007-10-17 , 18:50
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It's definately miniSD which brings my next question. The only microSDHC cards I can find in a quick search come with SD adapters not miniSD adapters and on a couple of UK sites I couldn't find any miniSDHC cards at all. How are you supposed to use greater than 2gig then?

*Edit* Scratch that. I can find 4gig miniSDHC cards but nothing bigger and still no microSDHC with minisd adapters.
 
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2007-10-17 , 18:53
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Inferior format???
Well of course, full-size SD slots can handle all the rest, not the other way around. And SD is always a step ahead w.r.t. size and price. (If it stops at 32GB eventually then that's an artificial problem introduced by the spec designers. Anyway, we're not there yet.)
TA, the trend is toward smaller formats. And given the availability of adapters, I don't see this as an issue... EDIT: except for using legacy cards.
What's "trends" got to do with this? It's only OK if you stick to typical "phones-with-memory-slot" thinking: You buy the device, you stick one card in, and that's it. Every device you own is an island.

That's not how I use my N800. Not only have I lots of cards from the near past, I have new devices like my camera and video camera (and a 4-track sound recorder) which use the full-size format, the nice thing about the N800 is that I can just take the card from one of them and put straight into the N800. With the N810 I would have to get my laptop and find a card reader. If so, then I could just skip the NIT altogether and use the laptop. Back to square one.

And lastly: Nokia has sent 3 internet tablets to market. And they change the interfaces _every time_! No sane engineer would do that. I suspect marketdroids.
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2007-10-17 , 18:54
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Looks like we've got a light up keyboard too.

http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia...nds-on/443963/
 
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2007-10-17 , 18:59
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Changing to miniSD is a mistake, IMO, and it only has one slot? Make that a double mistake.

Putting the d-pad on the slider, ugh, why?

The 2g of internal flash is a nice addition.

So, I'll be keeping my N800. I am extremely excited about the O/S update.
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2007-10-17 , 19:06
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Originally Posted by TA-t3 View Post
Well of course, full-size SD slots can handle all the rest, not the other way around. And SD is always a step ahead w.r.t. size and price. (If it stops at 32GB eventually then that's an artificial problem introduced by the spec designers. Anyway, we're not there yet.)

What's "trends" got to do with this? It's only OK if you stick to typical "phones-with-memory-slot" thinking: You buy the device, you stick one card in, and that's it. Every device you own is an island.

That's not how I use my N800. Not only have I lots of cards from the near past, I have new devices like my camera and video camera (and a 4-track sound recorder) which use the full-size format, the nice thing about the N800 is that I can just take the card from one of them and put straight into the N800. With the N810 I would have to get my laptop and find a card reader. If so, then I could just skip the NIT altogether and use the laptop. Back to square one.

And lastly: Nokia has sent 3 internet tablets to market. And they change the interfaces _every time_! No sane engineer would do that. I suspect marketdroids.
I'm not going to waste too much of my time or yours defending the decisions. I'm just saying *I* don't see it as the major upset that many paint it as. It certainly would be nice if the N810 used a common denominator format, but on the other hand the trend (and yes it's important because that drives availability of media and other concerns) is toward smaller sizes. Supporting smaller sizes makes it easier to keep device size down too (small contributer in this case but many such decisions, such as micro USB, add up).

That's all I have to say... other than that if there are no micro-to-mini SD adapters available at all I'm not gonna be happy...
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Rebski is offline Rebski
2007-10-17 , 19:07
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full-size SD slots can handle all the rest, not the other way around
I fully agree with this, full size SD slots was one of the arguments in favour of the N800 and the adoption of miniSD for the N810 has taken away the versatility that full SD offers.

Going with the trend at the expense of usability is just blind sightedness.
 
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