I see Mike Cane makes an appearance commenting against the first article - he really is a sad, bitter and twisted individual!

As for Nokia marketing, I caught a TV advert for the Nokia 6500 Classic phone last night. What struck me is the number of times during the advert that Nokia told me "You'll want it". Can you imagine Apple trying this? The device should sell itself! I shouldn't need a sultry voice convincing me to buy it and this is where Nokia marketing seems to be lacking - don't tell me it's great, let the device do the talking. But in a way the same applies to the NITs - they don't sell themselves and most people have to be convinced of their usefulness, and in the case of this Mitch Wagner character he clearly wasn't convinced (although I do get the impression he just doesn't "get it" - I feel his thinking is as follows: It's a Nokia, therefore it should be a cellular phone, but because his preconcieved ideas are fundamentally flawed his opinion of the device takes a major downturn).

If NITs are to go mainstream there has to be more obvious consumer appeal - having hidden depths of ability is lost on 5-minute reviewers and the general public alike.

EDIT: I only mention Apple in contrast to Nokia in that Apple are a design-led organisation, and I don't wish to start another Apple vs. Nokia debate!

I know I am off topic with this entry, but I just wanted to say that I really like the "quality" of the people writing in this forum and that write around the IT thing in general.

I never had such an impression with other devices' community before.

I live in Canada and I can't say I've ever seen an ad from Nokia. I have, however, seen ads with Nokia phones from providers... which is probably why Nokia's marketing is as it is. It relies on the carriers to do that.

Of course, that doesn't much help our beloved tablets.

I think it's quite clear that Mitch didn't get it, nor did he even try to get it. It was just another in a long list of phones, gadgets and so on that he gets to play with beforehand that wasn't labeled Apple and so wasn't worthy of more than 5 minutes.

Mil, I'm from the UK too, and I've seen those adverts. You get to the end and go "oh, a Nokia" then forget about it. The "I'm a PC, I'm a g1t" adverts may be annoying, but you remember them. Which is a real shame, as some of Nokia's products really should sell themselves (the 6500 classic being a prime example; it just needs HSDPA)

Looking at the screen shots of something like poky linux (I'm waiting for a stable release before I try to brick my n800) I wonder if a simpler UI like that might make iDiots like Wagner more accommodating towards the n8xx devices

I saw thought fix you tube video on the n800 and that was all I needed to buy mines, and when I heard of Internettablettalk.com it evenly sweeten the deal

I do like that I have the n800 when and where I want it, and that I have 'just a phone' for when I don't need/care about the n800.

However. The n810 is not appreciably larger than an acceptably-sized cellphone. And personally I'm hoping the n900 is smaller-still, basically just the size of the screen. At that size - I'd definitely be up for an all-in-one.

They should absolutely retain a non-phone model, but Nokia would be walking away from a large stack of money if the n900 didn't have a counterpart that included phone.

I agree - I'd love to see a phone module added to this style of device: an internet tablet with a phone as an add on, NOT the other way around. Phone calls aren't nearly as important to me as data, and there are lots of people out there (probably a lot on this forum) who'd drop their "other" device if they had the option of carrying a not-quite-laptop that could also take regular phone calls. I'd love to see an unlocked GSM voice only module added to the NIT, because that would be an ideal device for me, and probably many others. Adding a data chip would be a solid step toward redundancy with S60 phones, but a "phone" running Maemo would be an incredible tool.

Compare that to the iPhone: no carrier choice (w/extremely limited plan choice), limited software choices, locked interface (iTunes only). I love Apple computers, but the iPhone just isn't an option for me. Wagner makes a serious mistake in thinking the iPhone is a be-all, end-all of phones.

Totally. Options are good.


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Tex: Apple liberal!? Nokia conservative!?

One of them lets you run unsigned code on their devices.

most of you guys are worst than apple fanboys with this nokia crap. As soon as someone has a different experience with it ie. a negative one, then "they don't get it".

Just because you don't like the "i" apple stuff should your option be ignored or as textrat says: "I dismiss his opinion right off the bat."

come on, grow up textrat. everyone has their own experiences and criticism. if you like it buy it, but if someone else doesn't, let them have that opinion not to buy it.

and as sachin007 said: "I hate how most of the American's are blinded by Apple's i crap."

Maybe they think your blinded. You dismiss everyone's negative experience on something just because you have a different (positive) experience with it. You are bias and most of you need to just continue like those apple fanboys you so hate, but instead keep sucking nokia's nob. i know you have to textrat, but everyone else - you should know better.