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wmarone | # 51 | 2011-01-26, 18:25 | Report

Originally Posted by optimistprime View Post

wow, you really thought that the macbook type styling of that prototype was weak? Everyone I've shown it to, thought i was beautiful. Or are you refering to the rumored specs of the prototype device?

The rumored specs of the device, of course. A shell is a shell and can have its innards replaced at will of the vendor.

Originally Posted by riahc3 View Post

A Intel Atom 1.2 is "weak" for you in a smartphone?

I suspect that there never has been an Atom based handset inside Nokia. If anything, the one that was canceled was the OMAP3 based device supposedly running MeeGo/Harmattan, replaced with a Cortex-A9 based hardware design running MeeGo.

I'll be surprised if there's an x86 based phone out this year.

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NvyUs | # 52 | 2011-01-26, 18:29 | Report

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

This is truly doubtful. Nothing has surfaced for their very important N8, and it has features that a lot of folks would jump for if they knew about it.

In the US, subsidizing - a tactic that's unique to Central and North America by now, dropped everywhere else - is king. And Nokia has bucked that system more than once.

http://sisleyme.chatango.com

Hell. Perhaps I do need to be on their marketing team.

US subsiidizing is old fashioned nothing unique about. In UK you can go in any phone shop and get any device you want on almost any network subsidized, phones are not as tied down and crippled as much.

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riahc3 | # 53 | 2011-01-26, 18:30 | Report

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

I suspect that there never has been an Atom based handset inside Nokia. If anything, the one that was canceled was the OMAP3 based device supposedly running MeeGo/Harmattan, replaced with a Cortex-A9 based hardware design running MeeGo.

I'll be surprised if there's an x86 based phone out this year.

And is a OMAP4, for example, really neccesary? Can you get something out of a smartphone that needs dual cores? If anything, it is a bragging right.

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wmarone | # 54 | 2011-01-26, 18:40 | Report

Originally Posted by riahc3 View Post

And is a OMAP4, for example, really neccesary?

Yes. Mostly because your competitors (all of them) are releasing devices based upon the Cortex-A9. Never mind the fact that having a secondary processor to handle other tasks will let both sleep sooner.

If Nokia's high-end device of 2011 came out with a CPU others had used throughout 2010 and moved on from, they would be bashed so heavily in the media everything we hear today would pale in comparison, even if it worked as slick as could be.

That's not to say there won't be Cortex-A8 devices on the market, but they absolutely won't be the high end flagship device that they used to be. Motorola Atrix, LG Optimus 2X, Samsung's Orion based device, whatever HTC plans on releasing. That's the high end, and where the vendors will get attention.

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Can you get something out of a smartphone that needs dual cores? If anything, it is a bragging right.

Sure I can, so long as the OS isn't deliberately crippled. At best Apple could get away without it due to their furious marketing engine, however I suspect that the Apple A5 will match the rumors and be using a Cortex-A9.

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riahc3 | # 55 | 2011-01-26, 19:00 | Report

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

Yes. Mostly because your competitors (all of them) are releasing devices based upon the Cortex-A9. Never mind the fact that having a secondary processor to handle other tasks will let both sleep sooner.

Ah so you believe, like the others, that since Apple released their iPhone form factor, everyone else had to copy that.

Gotcha.

This isnt about doing what your competitors are doing. Its about gaining sales. I cannot think of a reason why a smartphone now would want to use a dual core processor or better yet want to POWER (power = batter) a dual core processor. Make no sense at all.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

If Nokia's high-end device of 2011 came out with a CPU others had used throughout 2010 and moved on from, they would be bashed so heavily in the media everything we hear today would pale in comparison, even if it worked as slick as could be.

As of right now, I do not see any marketing from any company stating "This is a (company name) (model)! It has dual cores! More cores more..." whatever. What you have said is true but for now no company has used it as a excessive market sheme AFAIK

(Keyword: excessive)

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

That's not to say there won't be Cortex-A8 devices on the market, but they absolutely won't be the high end flagship device that they used to be. Motorola Atrix, LG Optimus 2X, Samsung's Orion based device, whatever HTC plans on releasing. That's the high end, and where the vendors will get attention.

None of those phones have I heard about but a quick rundown of 2 of them:

Motorola Atrix: Great phone except no keyboard, internal storage is low compared to the N900 (for example), and resolution is kind of strange (Android issue).
LG Optimus X2: Nothing too special (compared to the Motrola Atrix) except the dual core. Low storage (compared to anything). This phone could be released exactly the same without the dual core and it wouldnt make a difference as it has been shown that a single core can also record 1080p.

wmarone | # 56 | 2011-01-26, 19:07 | Report

Originally Posted by riahc3 View Post

Ah so you believe, like the others, that since Apple released their iPhone form factor, everyone else had to copy that.

What? Who cares about formfactor? My point is that EVERYONE is releasing a high end phone with an A9 core.

Originally Posted by

This isnt about doing what your competitors are doing. Its about gaining sales.

It is about what your competitors are doing. That's what everyone is comparing Nokia to: their competitors. Apple, Samsung, Motorola.

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I cannot think of a reason why a smartphone now would want to use a dual core processor or better yet want to POWER (power = batter) a dual core processor. Make no sense at all.

Indeed, you cannot. That doesn't mean no one can, or that no one needs a dual core.

Originally Posted by

As of right now, I do not see any marketing from any company stating "This is a (company name) (model)! It has dual cores! More cores more..." whatever. What you have said is true but for now no company has used it as a excessive market sheme AFAIK

Except that it is a feature touted by every vendor with a device on its way?

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Motorola Atrix: Great phone except no keyboard, internal storage is low compared to the N900 (for example), and resolution is kind of strange (Android issue).
LG Optimus X2: Nothing too special (compared to the Motrola Atrix) except the dual core. Low storage (compared to anything). This phone could be released exactly the same without the dual core and it wouldnt make a difference as it has been shown that a single core can also record 1080p.

Point being? That doesn't negate that these devices ARE COMING and will be touted as the high end devices against which the iPhone 5 and whatever Nokia says is their high end will be compared to.

Regardless of how little use you see in a dual core processor here (I imagine you think my quad core laptop is excessive) there will be people who are more than willing to make use of it. Never mind the tech media who will have a field day if Nokia can't match it.

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cfh11 | # 57 | 2011-01-26, 19:16 | Report

Originally Posted by riahc3 View Post

This isnt about doing what your competitors are doing. Its about gaining sales. I cannot think of a reason why a smartphone now would want to use a dual core processor or better yet want to POWER (power = batter) a dual core processor. Make no sense at all.

You are missing the point. Computers/laptops/netbooks/smartphones/tablets are all converging. In the future, I expect smartphones to be the computer of choice based on their portable form factor. You would then plug it into various terminals (car, home, work etc) to display on a larger screen and possibly gain other capabilities.

Even in your own post you provide two real world examples of this: the Atrix with its netbook dock and the Optimus with its 1080p-out capability. This is only the beginning - more numerous and powerful use cases will emerge within the next 5 years.

As these capabilities expand, processors must match the pace to power larger displays and more complex interfaces. So as long as manufacturers can increase processing power without significant issues with heat and/or battery life it is smart business to continue to push the boundaries in smartphone CPUs.

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tissot | # 58 | 2011-01-26, 19:28 | Report

As far as getting back to the topic didn't remember this thread when i opened this thread. I have been quite surprised how little this have been noticed around the blog world, not to even talk about Nokia and Meego blogs.
As far as Intel goes they have confirmed that there will be MeeGo device(s) shown in MWC. Btw Intel got huge space over at MWC with two booths, one just for MeeGo.

Originally Posted by Renée J. James

We agreed that [MeeGo] would be… open to all architectures. And we will see this happen this year. You're going to see a major focus at MWC to be as bold this year as we were last year... particularly in some areas such as the device area.

Originally Posted by

You'll see ARM-based MeeGo devices this year

Originally Posted by

We're going to see you all at MWC though right? We have lots to talk about.

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...#ixzz1BnK2HXnE

Renée J. James is Senior Vice President, Intel.

dbrodie | # 59 | 2011-01-26, 20:59 | Report

Originally Posted by riahc3 View Post

This isnt about doing what your competitors are doing. Its about gaining sales. I cannot think of a reason why a smartphone now would want to use a dual core processor or better yet want to POWER (power = batter) a dual core processor. Make no sense at all.

Actually it is quite important that the N9 be OMAP 4 for customers. First, The OMAP4 has about the same power usage as the OMAP3, and the idle power usage on the OMAP4 is lower than OMAP3 (at least from the older 65nm OMAP3's). Another thing, the OMAP4 has better memory bandwidth, and AFAIK can support more RAM. Last but not least, the OMAP4 supports 1080 output and a higher resolution camera then the OMAP3.

So having the OMAP4 will have quite a few benefits that the users will feel pretty well, so there is a reason everybody is moving to these newer processors. Also, I don't see how this has to do with Apple, but never mind.

Last but not least, Maemo/Meego needs more horsepower then android or iOS. You see, android has changed it's stock linux in such a way so that most programs written for android will suspend and stop running, in addition android doesn't use swap. The kernel in android was modified to wakeup less often, and the graphics layer was rewritten to be more lightweight.
Meego on the other hand is closer to stock linux and as such can use swap, and it's apps are multitasking by default without needing some flags. (Meego and WebOS are the only truly multitasking mobile OSes). In the end it is heavier (but can provide more features) and will benefit much more from a more powerful processor.

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riahc3 | # 60 | 2011-01-26, 22:07 | Report

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

What? Who cares about formfactor? My point is that EVERYONE is releasing a high end phone with an A9 core.

And?

Trend follower then?

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

It is about what your competitors are doing. That's what everyone is comparing Nokia to: their competitors. Apple, Samsung, Motorola.

My point above

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

Indeed, you cannot. That doesn't mean no one can, or that no one needs a dual core.

I cant because there is no reason to put a dual core in a smartphone. Its like putting a Ferrari engine on a 1960. Buying a Intel i7 to play Pong. No reason at all.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

Except that it is a feature touted by every vendor with a device on its way?

We all know marketing plays a big part but people still trust the Nokia brand. It markets itself.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

Regardless of how little use you see in a dual core processor here (I imagine you think my quad core laptop is excessive) there will be people who are more than willing to make use of it. Never mind the tech media who will have a field day if Nokia can't match it.

Depends.

Is your laptop your main device?
Is your laptop used as a server?
Is your laptop running VMs?
Is your laptop into heavy photo/video editing?
Is your laptop your main gaming device?

If you answered "Yes" to any of the above questions, then no I do not think your laptop is excessive. If you didnt, then yes, I do think your laptop is excessive.

You cannot in any case for the above replace "laptop" with "smartphone".