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gerbick | # 601 | 2011-02-11, 03:58 | Report

One question.

How many Maemo 5 phones were sold. Not that one time they actually said that it sold 100k in six weeks. But real numbers... until then, what are you comparing it to?

I know that you're not comparing it to actual numbers that Nokia has published. So... all I see is still opinion backed by very little else.

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vkv.raju | # 602 | 2011-02-11, 04:05 | Report

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

One question.

How many Maemo 5 phones were sold. Not that one time they actually said that it sold 100k in six weeks. But real numbers... until then, what are you comparing it to?

I know that you're not comparing it to actual numbers that Nokia has published. So... all I see is still opinion backed by very little else.

I take that, that question is to me?
Maemo 5 was sold more like some mobile computer than as a phone. Also, right from the beginning, it has been projected only as a developer device. Also when, maemo5 was on market, it was during that time Nokia thought about MeeGo with Intel and so they stopped promoting/advertising (if any) maemo5.

So, direct comparison of numbers here won't help you at all.

For MS, WM7 was pretty damn serious stuff. They spent lot of money on promoting WM7 itself!

You know what the killing part to me is: I like both Nokia & Microsoft but I don't want them to be together on this atleast. Wishful thinking? We will have to wait and see!

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9000 | # 603 | 2011-02-11, 04:17 | Report

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

Love the jockeying going on... Nokia + WP7 = suicide and other randomly blurted out, yet poorly backed up comments.

I wonder what will happen if WP7 isn't either: 1) an option or 2) the only option for Nokia going forward.

Like...

WP7 employs more, if not most, stringent policies in controlling the applications installed, e.g. it does not support native (and unsigned) applications delivered through CAB files, which is in effectively killing the ecosystem that WM has been building for years.

If Nokia really care so much about establishing an ecosystem, then WP7 would not be a suitable option, at least at this stage. May be nobody here is in position to critize Microsoft's mobile marketing strategy, but it seems that their policies on WP7 is heading to quite the opposite direction where Nokia is heading (on Maemo/MeeGo initiatives).

Unless, of course, Elop would like to change the course of Nokia and align their strategies with Microsoft's. That'd be definitely a great news for Samsaung, HTC, Song, etc.

gerbick | # 604 | 2011-02-11, 04:17 | Report

The fact that people are so quickly to jump the gun about WP7 with absolutely nothing to back it up and speak about things as if it were fact is still amazing.

My question was to anybody that could definitively answer. I'll repeat it without any caveats and/or qualifiers - how many N900's were sold?

I don't need to know that it was a developer device. I don't need to know it wasn't marketed as a mass media device. If you truly believe both, then you should also believe that decisions like that are the reason why Nokia is in the shithouse right now.

So let's stick with facts. Not speculation. Not fanboy adoration of what they think Nokia should do. Just stick to the facts ma'am.

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gerbick | # 605 | 2011-02-11, 04:20 | Report

I'm not sure if I've not seen this listed in this thread...

Originally Posted by

When Nokia CEO Stephen Elop announces a major change in Nokia strategy tomorrow, cash may be an important factor: Microsoft and Google are both said to be offering Nokia hundreds of millions of dollars to switch to either Windows Phone 7 or Android from Nokia's current phone operating systems.

There's plenty of evidence that when Elop talks to investors in London tomorrow, he's going to make a dramatic change in Nokia's strategy.

Computerworld blog post here...

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kureyon | # 606 | 2011-02-11, 04:23 | Report

Originally Posted by RFS-81 View Post

Not today, probably not in near future. But they will keep trying.. and have the tendency to get things right eventually (look at Windows 7). "Winning" against Microsoft is a matter of decades, not days.

Desktop Windows has a huge lock-in factor - all those legacy apps and apps that are only available for Windows makes ditching Windows hard. They can release **** and many people will still be "forced" to buy it. Vista may have been a total failure in software terms, but it allowed MS to make even more money - once, by forced bundling into new computers/notebooks, and again when people have to pay to upgrade back to XP.

In phones MS has no lock-in advantage to exploit. And WP7 isn't even compatible with old WM. If WM was a separate business it would have folded a long long time ago. MS has pumped billions of dollars into it and in return are rewarded with miniscule and still declining market share.

NvyUs | # 607 | 2011-02-11, 04:30 | Report

I think Nokia can sell any OS.
Think about it while Nokia was selling tens of millions of s60 devices, samsung mobile and SE was dropped to almost non existent making a loss putting out failure after failure trying to sell symbian s60/uiq.
Towards the End Samsung and SE was putting out S60 devices with miles better specs but still lost to Nokias average spec'd devices like N96 & N97.
Which makes me think its only the Brand Nokia what as kept Symbian alive these past few years b/c people want a Nokia device.
I don't think a different OS will change anything for 90% of Current Nokia consumers they will just follow suite quietly, but it could open the mind of People at the highend who have never touched Nokia based on the hate they hear surrounding Symbian.
Lets just hope it's MeeGo on future devices that the millions go crazy for and not anything else

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automagic68 | # 608 | 2011-02-11, 04:39 | Report

So will we be having a MeeGo N9 partay in 6hrs or a WP7/Android sobb story?!?!

The wait is killing me o.0

cBeam | # 609 | 2011-02-11, 04:51 | Report

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

My question was to anybody that could definitively answer. I'll repeat it without any caveats and/or qualifiers - how many N900's were sold?

I'm not sure where you want to go with your question. But I assume that you know that Nokia never released sales numbers for the N900 to the public. The only people able to answer your question would be Nokia insiders.

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gerbick | # 610 | 2011-02-11, 04:56 | Report

Originally Posted by cBeam View Post

I'm not sure where you want to go with your question. But I assume that you know that Nokia never released sales numbers for the N900 to the public. The only people able to answer your question would be Nokia insiders.

Exactly.

My point is that people are comparing sales of WP7 or other platforms without really having anything to compare to in regards to Maemo 5.

You can't compare the known numbers of one platform over an unknown number. That's like saying "I know that Option A sold 1.7 million units... but I think Option B sold 1.8 million units. So it wins!"

When honestly all you're going by is your opinion and you're stating things like it's fact when... it's not.

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