nocain | # 1521 | 2011-02-19, 21:05 | Report

And the MS deal changed this how??? It is still a gamble the only difference is that instead of strategically placing their bets on the craps table, they put all their chips on a hard 10 so instead of getting 2/3 or 3/5 odds they have 1/10 odds. All business moves are gambles they just took the bet with the highest possible payoff and least favorable odds.

gerbick | # 1522 | 2011-02-19, 21:13 | Report

It went from putting a lot of money behind MeeGo (a gamble) to putting a lot of effort behind Windows Phone 7 (a gamble).

So... not much really changed other than MeeGo was liked by this forum whereas Microsoft is generally loathed.

There's a Linus > Ballmer joke in there somewhere.

Wiener | # 1523 | 2011-02-19, 21:28 | Report

Right, some people here are open SW enthusiasts, and also not friends of Microsoft. But I don't believe this hits the point. I also own a Window Mobile device that I also like. The MS deal itself, as said before by others also, is not a problem, the problem is its exclusiveness and as it seems lack of risk management.

What me really concerns is that my department made lot of business with Nokia (without being dependent from it ...), and I have some friends in it's middle management. It's sad to see such unfortunate decisions in management and PR as we do since last week. I've never seen a European company so quickly being brought down as Nokia these days.

AGAIN: Leading a company is NOT GAMBLING. Make the game in way that you ALWAYS win somehow, but never fail miserably.
Let's wait 2 years and hope that Nokia management has also done its job concerning risk management.

ossipena | # 1524 | 2011-02-19, 21:40 | Report

what boat? If you are talking about "apps" -boat, it is bit like titanic in the movies: deemed to sink. Current state of phone os:es is big pile of sh... compared to what it could be with current sensors(gps, accel. etc) and processing power..

gerbick | # 1525 | 2011-02-19, 21:56 | Report

Given that half of the drivel are categorically either baseless claims, continued MS (aptly labeled M$) nerd drama or a dislike of Ballmer (he does come off as trustworthy as an used car salesman), you will have a hard time finding arguments for or against this new direction beyond the aforesaid reasons.

That's, of course, not 100% true, but common sense is giving way to conspiracy theory and MS hate for some reason.

Out of curiosity, I found my iPaq 2215 that I still somehow own.

I've officially taken a "wait and see" stance. Despite that, I've also stated that I'll buy a Nokia WP7 phone if it were to happen. Now I have to buy one...

It shouldn't be... but this just feels like an episode at the craps table. With nothing shown, it goes from "we have viable options" to "we will have viable options" and as it stands, the delays are hurting Nokia.

If they announced a WP7 phone at MWC, showed it, said it was shipping in 2 weeks, it would have shown a swift, quick turnaround for this agreement, it would have shown that Nokia is dropping their "always delayed products" stigma and they would have hushed the critics about how effective this combination truly by shipping a product in pretty record time.

Now... if that product would have sold is a totally different story.

I'm patient enough to have waited from the 770 to now for an internet tablet that I would use reliably; I'm patient enough to wait for 2 years.

I just can't do it silently.

onethreealpha | # 1526 | 2011-02-19, 22:27 | Report

I'm interested to see where the chat and mail services are going to go on the Nokrosoft WP7 phone.
With Nokia only recently announcing Ovi chat (and some aspects of their mail) running/combining with Yahoo, will they continue this now that they've got into bed with M$?
Certainly in the US (the only one that counts - according to the yanks anyway) there are some big problems with yahoo services running on WP7 devices - data usage through the roof, and the two companies are still arguing over who is to blame for that, which is going to cause problems for any Hardware vendor (that's what nokia is now) trying to push into the US Market.
shall we see a new announcement from Nokia telling us that they're now moving Ovi chat to Hotmail/MSN?
The challenge for Nokia and M$ is that unlike Apple, they're not big enough to tell the carriers to get fcuked when they come complaining about the bandwith hogging devices that they're selling.....

nocain | # 1527 | 2011-02-19, 22:49 | Report

Nokia wasn't putting a lot of money behind meego relatively speaking. If I remember right nokia was spending on meego less the 1/3 what they were spending on symbian. They didn't need to spend as much on meego as it is a joint initiative with players larger then nokia( intel, amd, novell, telephonica etc )

Personally I don't care about the whole FOSS angle with meego, I like the possibility to have a common platform for notebooks, tablets, smart phones, and media devices. I like having a solution that can scale quickly, I like the possibility of continued community support after the OEM's drop support, I like having the possibility to tweak and customize the device to fit my needs. This is why I wanted meego as it fits all those criterias, granted some are by virtue of FOSS but not most. Then there are the technical merits of a meego device, which I think beats WP OS, and yes I have tinkered with a WP7 device.

In short I want a device I can use and customize as I want, the only thing that comes close to this now is android although some manufactures intentionally lock crap down( motorola anyone ).

wmarone | # 1528 | 2011-02-19, 23:14 | Report

Well that and the fact that with MeeGo, Nokia's fate was in Nokia's hands. Placing so much dependence on WP7 (since they're going to try and displace Symbian completely with it) places Nokia's fate entirely in Microsoft's hands.

If Elop has any sense of independence from Microsoft, he'll keep MeeGo in development and actually do periodic device releases just to keep Microsoft on their toes, but with how much leverage he's granted them it's unlikely.

gerbick | # 1529 | 2011-02-19, 23:18 | Report

300 Million, basically 1/3rd of a Billion dollars is a nice chunk of change to never release a product that uses it (yet).

Motorola Atrix's locked down bootloader has already been circumvented.

gerbick | # 1530 | 2011-02-19, 23:24 | Report

Not picking a fight; however with that sentence in mind, you'd think that they'd push Maemo (they didn't) and MeeGo would be completed. I mean, talking about having an high-end OS and delivering it - and if your fate is in your own hands - they should have done much better than gotten themselves in the position they're currently in.

Watch this...

Placing so much dependence on MeeGo (since they're going to try and release all of their high-end devices with it) places Nokia's fate entirely in Nokia's hands.

Again, not picking fights, but that just didn't quite work out well.

You're asking for miracles...

To be honest, more well-informed folks (like this forum) that aren't at consumer level (like this forum) needs to convince Elop, et al that putting all of your eggs into one basket - whether it was MeeGo or WP7 - is not a wise thing to do.