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2011-04-12 , 20:01
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Originally Posted by kinggo View Post
It can end up very badly if you don't read what will be upgraded. If you do read and then install only what you need nothing bad will happen. But the problem is that most people after apt-get upgrade simply just press "y". That's why tis is a bad advice.
Anyhow, CSSU should appear in HAM, if not, refresh. And it can be installed that way, If it doesn't, check the details, it will show what is the problem.
It should be perfectly safe - "apt-get upgrade" will only upgrade packages you already have installed, and won't install any new packages or remove any existing ones. Admittedly, there's a small chance that a package you update turns out to break other packages, but that'll be very rare. "apt-get dist-upgrade", on the other hand, can definitely break things.
 

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2011-04-12 , 21:25
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Yes, but it can happen.
All I'm saying is that people who doesn't know that they can update CSSU that why shuld't do it that way. It's a bad advice for noobs.
 
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2011-04-13 , 10:35
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Originally Posted by shnigi View Post
Link ? or what has been discussed ?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67905&page=262
 
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2011-04-13 , 15:26
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Originally Posted by kinggo View Post
Yes, but it can happen.
It can happen with any package you install/upgrade though - if the new version pulls in updated libraries, that may break anything else depending on those libraries (in fact, you're more likely to break things using "apt-get install" as that may install new packages or remove existing ones).

Using "apt-get upgrade" is no riskier than installing/upgrading normally, so I see no reason whatsoever to claim it's "dangerous" to advise people to do it.
 
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2011-04-13 , 15:51
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Originally Posted by Rob1n View Post
It can happen with any package you install/upgrade though - if the new version pulls in updated libraries, that may break anything else depending on those libraries (in fact, you're more likely to break things using "apt-get install" as that may install new packages or remove existing ones).

Using "apt-get upgrade" is no riskier than installing/upgrading normally, so I see no reason whatsoever to claim it's "dangerous" to advise people to do it.
Because if you have done something like leaving extras devel enabled when you didn't mean to - you can end up going to a bunch of beta software you really don't want to test etc. Anything that does a shotgun upgrade of all packages possible is a bad idea.
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2011-04-13 , 18:12
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Because if you have done something like leaving extras devel enabled when you didn't mean to - you can end up going to a bunch of beta software you really don't want to test etc. Anything that does a shotgun upgrade of all packages possible is a bad idea.
In which case you're just as likely to update via App Manager (and choosing update all) - if you're expecting users to be idiots, don't try drawing arbitrary lines about how idiotic they're going to be.
 
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2011-04-13 , 18:28
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Originally Posted by stew-b View Post
apparently that's a really bad thing to do according to posts last nite,for reasons I dont understand..
It is bad because you are updating all applications on your N900 which might cause the CSSU a problem. Apps that don't need updating right away should stay as they were.

Most of the people experiencing problems have not installed the CSSU Repo and there are instructions on the CSSU Website (5 installation instructions). Do these first, then run "apt-get update" then run "
apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr".

Right near the end of the installation you will be prompted to install 17camera-ui (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) where the default is N.

I installed it and the camera is a lot better.

simples!
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Originally Posted by Rob1n View Post
In which case you're just as likely to update via App Manager (and choosing update all) - if you're expecting users to be idiots, don't try drawing arbitrary lines about how idiotic they're going to be.
There is no comparison between a potential wall of text and a graphical representation. But lets just agree to disagree and you go right ahead and do it whatever way you wish. Personally I will stick with specific commands to just update what I want.
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In which case you're just as likely to update via App Manager (and choosing update all) - if you're expecting users to be idiots, don't try drawing arbitrary lines about how idiotic they're going to be.
Actually it has happened to me that libraries that did not need to be upgraded got upgraded and stuff broke with apt-get upgrade with devel enabled. HAM doesn't upgrade libraries unless a forces it, so that particular problem does not occur with HAM. But it's up to everyone to decide how risky one plays it.
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I often do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and have all available repositories enabled. No problems yet, but it's only been a year or so. I seem to be fairly lucky...
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