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2010-07-15 , 22:39
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Where are the millions of Ipad users? I don`t see any on the road, too embarassed to show their new toy?....probably....or maybe they just left it home because it doesn`t fit in their pocket.....
 
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2010-07-15 , 22:56
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Originally Posted by sophocha View Post
Where are the millions of Ipad users? I don`t see any on the road, too embarassed to show their new toy?....probably....or maybe they just left it home because it doesn`t fit in their pocket.....
I call flame-bait! Where's your Maemo tablet? All I see are these cute little tiny screens. heh
 

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2010-07-15 , 23:04
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3 years ago, had conversation with friend of mine regarding to latest cool gadget on the market in tablet area.

My final question was:
so.. what do you think? Amazing isn't?
Answer:
yea very cool, but I'll wait a bit, probably Apple will do something as cool as this and better looking.

Imagine how people functioning. And how big impact Apple did on the market with any IStuff. They just using this potential only. Don't really need to do something exiting. So.. I am sorry for author of this post if you represent mass market but i will be unfair if I'll say "at least it was your choice". Simply wasn't, sad true is at least you did it.
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2010-07-15 , 23:15
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Where are the millions of Ipad users? I don`t see any on the road, too embarassed to show their new toy?....probably....or maybe they just left it home because it doesn`t fit in their pocket.....
You obviously don't use the London Subway in the morning.
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2010-07-15 , 23:21
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You obviously don't use the London Subway in the morning.
And stuck between 2 IPad boys playing some accelerometer based car racing game. At least was clear why this sit was free
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2010-07-15 , 23:35
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You need to hang out in different places. Just ran into a mob of iPad users at Barnes & Noble.
 
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2010-07-16 , 01:17
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
I don't think windowed UI is optimal for handheld slate computing. Maybe a tiled version could work (a la ratpoison/ion), because managing overlapping windows in a sub 12" screen just has more complications than advantage. (small mouse-optimized ui designed for big screen just don't translate well to handheld slates).
Just how stubby ARE your fingers? j/k

I've been using my convertible netbook for a year now, and I never had any problems with using Win7 and Ubuntu with only my fingers (actually, occasionally I tend to forget I even have a stylus since I only use it with MyPaint and for notes taking).

Getting a good onscreen keyboard on Ubuntu was a bit of a pain, but the one in Win7 works like a charm and, thanks to it being configurable, makes for a very nice finger experience.

If it wasn't for battery power (4 hours on medium brightness setting and the thing is dead as a dodo), it would even qualify as an iPad alternative, for the only reason it's thicker than the aforementioned is because it has the hardware keyboard attached. Which, btw, doubles as screen protection in my pocket.

And of course it has billions of "apps" to draw from, actually useful ones at that, not the hundredth [fart/vuvuzela/add other sound here] app and the thousandth [facebook/twitter/add other website that's natively supported by the various finger friendly web browsers on Win7] interface app.

(Sorry, ysss, you know I couldn't resist on the last part. It's just that, even during those times when the iPhone was my only mobile device apart from my old Asus tablet brick PC, I've never even felt remotely compelled to buy any of the apps from the app store. There's a couple of nice games out, but to be true, unlike a lot of people I never bought a mobile device for playing games - which admittedly might sound strange coming from someone who's addicted to playing Albion on the N900... )
 
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Originally Posted by Nathraiben View Post
Just how stubby ARE your fingers? j/k

I've been using my convertible netbook for a year now, and I never had any problems with using Win7 and Ubuntu with only my fingers (actually, occasionally I tend to forget I even have a stylus since I only use it with MyPaint and for notes taking).
Ok, if I'm getting this right, you mostly use the convertible in notebook mode until you absolutely need to take handwritten notes or make sketches? That's how I used my convertibles too when I had them. The ui was pretty aweful for 'normal' usage.

Getting a good onscreen keyboard on Ubuntu was a bit of a pain, but the one in Win7 works like a charm and, thanks to it being configurable, makes for a very nice finger experience.
I'll have to try out win7 again to get an updated feel for it. Thanks for the tip!

If it wasn't for battery power (4 hours on medium brightness setting and the thing is dead as a dodo), it would even qualify as an iPad alternative, for the only reason it's thicker than the aforementioned is because it has the hardware keyboard attached. Which, btw, doubles as screen protection in my pocket.
I find the reality for win-based (convertibles) to be: "yes, it can do everything the iPad can do and more" ... But if you have to use it (away from your desktop or something), you'd probably not enjoy the experience. At least it was like that for me. This is the huge ui/ux difference that i've found.

And of course it has billions of "apps" to draw from, actually useful ones at that, not the hundredth [fart/vuvuzela/add other sound here] app and the thousandth [facebook/twitter/add other website that's natively supported by the various finger friendly web browsers on Win7] interface app.
You know... Reading from that thread about android's web based app creator, I think this is actually a testament to apple's low barrier of entry to app development.

But yeah, unfortunately you can't have an appstore policy that censors 'bad sh*t'.

(Sorry, ysss, you know I couldn't resist on the last part. It's just that, even during those times when the iPhone was my only mobile device apart from my old Asus tablet brick PC, I've never even felt remotely compelled to buy any of the apps from the app store. There's a couple of nice games out, but to be true, unlike a lot of people I never bought a mobile device for playing games - which admittedly might sound strange coming from someone who's addicted to playing Albion on the N900... )
Lol, yeah I hear you. Many of the apps are just shallow shells. There are some gems to be found (even for games) but they're the exceptions.
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
You need to hang out in different places. Just ran into a mob of iPad users at Barnes & Noble.
I just ran into my second iPad Metro user today (also during rush hour commute). Though I think I've seen like 4-5 of them.

2 on the Metro
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Lol, yeah I hear you. Many of the apps are just shallow shells. There are some gems to be found (even for games) but they're the exceptions.
There are some iPhone games I would like to play (particularly the RTS ones). But not enough to justify the cost of buying the device, I rather put the money into a dedicated gaming handheld like the upcoming Nintendo 3DS.

But I guess that's just the way it is..there's some games on the PS3 I want to play too but not enough to justify buying one (luckily I can just borrow my cousin's while he borrows my 360).
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2010-07-16 , 21:29
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Ok, if I'm getting this right, you mostly use the convertible in notebook mode until you absolutely need to take handwritten notes or make sketches? That's how I used my convertibles too when I had them. The ui was pretty aweful for 'normal' usage.
No, I actually only use it in notebook mode when writing longer texts (not even the best onscreen keyboard can compete with a former business student's 350 strokes per minute ). Most of the time it's in tablet mode.

What I was trying to say is that I almost never use the stylus, but do almost everything with my fingers alone. Works pretty well, though I have to admit that sometimes I'll just use the tip of my fingernail to hit the less prominent input widgets.

I'll have to try out win7 again to get an updated feel for it. Thanks for the tip!
I've never tried with Vista (couldn't even stand that one on the desktop PC, so I never even remotely thought about torturing my netbook by installing it), but I remember that XP had a lot of shortcomings when it comes to touch input. Quite a bit of functionality had to be added through native Asus applications, while with win7 I never even installed those, since everything worked out of the box.

I haven't tried the netbook UI of Ubuntu, but the standard interface is really touch-friendly, too. Again, getting a functional onscreen keyboard was a pain, but other than that working with it feels pretty comfortable, especially since the theme is pretty configurable. Right now my window bar is twice as large as that of my desktop PC, so it's rather comfortable to work with it.

I find the reality for win-based (convertibles) to be: "yes, it can do everything the iPad can do and more" ... But if you have to use it (away from your desktop or something), you'd probably not enjoy the experience. At least it was like that for me. This is the huge ui/ux difference that i've found.
To bet true, I spend a lot of time in hotels, so I can't even choose whether to use my netbook or my desktop PC - but other than the inability to render 3D images, run Photoshop and play high-end games, I never had the feeling that I missed anything.

But UI experience is terrible subjective feeling, so I don't expect everybody to feel the same way. Actually, I have to admit that I don't even care - as long as something works for me, I'm happy.

You know... Reading from that thread about android's web based app creator, I think this is actually a testament to apple's low barrier of entry to app development.

But yeah, unfortunately you can't have an appstore policy that censors 'bad sh*t'.

Lol, yeah I hear you. Many of the apps are just shallow shells. There are some gems to be found (even for games) but they're the exceptions.
And it's a shame that most people will never get to see those gems because they just can't find them amongst the 99.9% of useless stuff. And the rating system miserably fails thanks to the hype mentality, where gems are being voted down for being too complicated and fart apps are promoted thanks to being sooooo cool.
 
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