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#101
Originally Posted by geneven View Post
Every week, The Economist lets me download a spoken-word version of its current issue in mp3 format. Are you saying that is illegal?
Dear Lord, did you red what I wrote?

I said "for the most part". Most people share music. Apple does not want you to share music bought from iTunes with another person. You can't copy music off an iPod through iTunes.

I never said sharing music was absolutely illegal. It is illegal for the most part.
 
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#102
Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
Not true. Maybe for YOU it's illegal for the most part, but frankly far more "illegal" file sharing happens PC to PC than phone to phone. It's not the job of a device manufacturer or OS provider to police what people do on/with the device.

Also, Apple had a way of doing it with iTunes. In fact that was one of their huge selling points in getting permission from the labels initially to start selling songs in iTunes, that it could retain/control/prevent illegal copying of the files because of their DRM format. Once they had the market pretty sealed up, they eventually dropped the strict DRM stuff, but they still can tell what was store bought an what wasn't. There are settable flags in most file formats that indicate if the file is copyright or not, and most people don't know how to change those.

Not allowing files to be shared or copied has nothing to do with legality from a device perspective. If someone copies files illegally from a PC to another PC over the internet, nobody is going to sue Microsoft for allowing the PC to have a copy function (not even in the US where frivolous lawsuits are the norm).



That is the real reasoning here. Sharing anything defeats Apples ability to make a profit. Technically, one can copy a file from their PC (via iTunes), to a device, and play it in two places at once, both on the device and on their home PC. Technically, that's a violation of the agreement you have on purchasing the song, since you only purchased on copy. Apple doesn't care about legal technicalities. They care about selling stuff and making money. Small bands sharing their songs for free, or free open source audio books (like Librivox) don't make Apple money, so they make it all the harder to share such things. It's all about the money.
So if I buy a song on iTunes then send it to you via Bluetooth, that is totally ok?
 
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#103
Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
i didn't know about these two issues. why's that? what does st. jobs want to protect his followers from?
As for the notion it's because "Anything that lets you share files could be used to infringe copyright!", I'm pretty sure that's not it; even though a certain reading of the DMCA would support that notion, it's never been taken anywhere near that far in court.

I think it's just a consequence of the whole hide-the-filesystem-lest-users-gaze-into-its-complexity-and-emptiness-and-go-MAD notion.
 
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Enough of the mp3 talk. RIAA pays high priced lawyers to set that stuff straight for us ignorant folks. And they love suing folks too. They even sue dead folks.

With that said... the controls that are put in place, if ever abused will invariably lead to some lawsuit and bad press.
 
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#105
I skim through these iphone vs n900 discussions and I have to laugh.
I don't think you could name two more diametrically opposed platforms or devices than these two!

The apple camp talks about jaibreaking etc to get to the flexibility that lurks in it's sexy interior.

The n900 camp talks about getting that stability and simplistic interface that seems elusive to some.

It all seems so pathetic and useless.

Both devices have compelling strong points and some really stinky bad points. As has been stated over and over.....do your research and embrace your chosen device and support the group. Positive energy is so much more useful than a pointless competition that NO ONE will win.
 

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Originally Posted by Grok View Post
Both devices have compelling strong points and some really stinky bad points. As has been stated over and over.....do your research and embrace your chosen device and support the group. Positive energy is so much more useful than a pointless competition that NO ONE will win.
Everything else of similar tone and attitude that has been said before by gerbick and others
For Christ sake guys, that's just it. Buy the one that fits what you want to do, and go with it. I had an N800+E71, and dropped the whole kit for a 3GS. What did it for me was the screen (there's no beating Apple's capacitive, it is (still) from a few to a gazillion light-years ahead of any other I have ever seen or tested in terms of responsiveness and comfort in use) and the app environment (I spend money, that's true, but I honestly think it is money worth paying for the dev's time). I still have my grips with all the bad stuff listed here, even though I JB'd and most of the points raised against it are (FOR ME) moot, but the truth is my N800 is abandoned and dead, and I won't buy an N900 (when it comes to Brazil, which it hasn't, believe it or not) because even if it is far superior to the N800 in any thinkable aspect, it still hasn't been able to surpass the iPhone in the two aspects I mentioned.

But once again, that's FOR ME.

So why don't we all buy the device that does the trick FOR US? And let go of all the bashing? Sounds kinda lame.
 
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#107
Adobe flash on the iphone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVA2pdKikYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dmhE...eature=related

Although it is stutterry and rendered remotely...

A desktop firebox browser on a linux box

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#108
Crazy... I am viewing books on my iphone using using the heavily flash based scribd.com faster than my home computer!!

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#109
Now flash based games on Kongregate load up fine with sound!

And this... touted as one of the toughest flash sites works quick with sound:

http://disney.go.com/toystory/

Last edited by imperiallight; 2010-06-10 at 15:04.
 
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#110
And yes the desktop youporn site is fine, just a tad jerky!
 
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