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	sachin007	2010-09-19 , 16:17
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Originally Posted by Benson

It would be interesting, yes, but not particularly meaningful without way more depth than a poll can provide.
Did you pirate before you believed it was wrong, or while?

EDIT: (Texrat-inspired) If before, have you gotten rid of it now?

What sort of piracy, downloading instead of buying?

Buying, then uploading or copy/sharing?

Buying and installing on multiple machines?

Using the OEM key for a new machine that came with Windows to install Windows on an old machine after you wipe the new one with a free OS?

Buying in one format, then converting to another for your own use?

Grabbing from ad-supported (TV/radio/web) and hoarding for possible rewatching?

What I'd find really interesting is a three-way poll:
Is software piracy ok?
Yes, in general.

Not in most cases, but with some exception for students with limited financial resources, etc.

No, in general.

I think it really does'nt matter how it was/is done. Piracy is piracy.If you pirated a long time ago and realized that was a wrong thing and changed afterwards....What is stopping me from considering that i may change as time changes?

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qwenjis	2010-09-19 , 18:34
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Originally Posted by geohsia

No, that is called rationalization. You see if something has no value, then they're not interested in it. If software has no value no one would want to use it. If a song has no value no one would want to listen to it. If a movie has no value no one would want to watch it.

What you're saying is people rationalize to themselves that they should not pay for it because they can get it for free. It has value, otherwise they wouldn't put in the time or the effort to pirate it.

I find it interesting that you know it's wrong but do it anyways. At least you know it's wrong.

Well, I used the wrong word as I see now. Not value definately. I meant that people don't see the value of somebody's work or knowledge and recieve everything as given.

About myself, well it's indeed kinda wierd. I'll try to explain.

I'm studing on interpreter(although I'm not the best student as you can see in my posts^^) and I always try to be outside the native-language area as much as possible. maemo.org is such an example.
And this topic too. As I said before, almost everyone in my country wil call you an idiot if you buy software instead of using pirate one. People can't understand it and won't in the nearest future. And reading you all is a good example people are different. And I like it.

But, as I said before I still use some pirate software. There're different reasons for that, here are some:
1) Something like Win7 cost sh*tloads of money and prices aren't the same as in your country. World isn't the same everywhere, we don't have student discounts or any other similar stuff. It must be lame excuse but still.Working to get an original version of software - it sounds ridiculuos for me, ppl work for living not for things.
2) This will sound very odd. You can watch some movies on Tv for free, so I consider downloading and watching a movie that is shown on TV at the same time not a piracy.
3) Music...Well it's another place and it might sound wierd we don't have almost all foreingh music on license CDs/DVDs etc. Piracy kinda killed it and the only way to get it - order on foreingh sites and pray it arrives faster than a month or even arrives at all. Moreover, would you pay for a CD x3 price? I won't. And others too.

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kureyon	2010-09-19 , 18:53
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I buy a DVD and every time I play it, I have to sit through a 5-10 minute clip (unskippable) telling me not to buy pirate DVDs and how doing so will fund terrorists and bring about WWIII. Would it be right (morally) for me to download a copy where the crap was removed and used that instead of the copy that I paid good money for?

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	ndi	2010-09-19 , 19:08
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Originally Posted by Texrat

We need a new poll: whose mind has been changed as a result of points made in this thread...

What we need is a poll that doesn't use a question asking if it's "ok". There is no OK. There's legal, moral, possible, likely, etc.

What happens if it's legally possible and morally wrong? What do we do about precedent, since it's a limited point of view, legal-wise (not the only law)?

Should a singer get 5 million for a song? No. But they do, so if you restore the natural order of things it's a regression and they feel like they've been wronged.

Free market works by reality not by law. That is, it's a system that self-adapts to the reality, not defined by rules. As a result, it's not a rule that a company should get fifty million for a game because they pumped 40 in it. You pump whatever you feel like and get what you get - that's it.

It has always been my opinion that once you make something public, it's public, deal with it.

The worst part is, once you make some concessions, the box is open. Like, say, not allowing user to re-sell the game. What does the company care who owns the game? Why pay again to re-register online? It's still one slot.

The line between "greed" and "right" is no more.

So, which OK is it? Moral? Legal? What's "right"? "Even"? "Best"?

And since when do excuses count? Is rape OK because you "can't get a woman"? Why would theft be OK because "I can't afford it"?

I buy most of my software now that I can afford it, what I can't I pirate. Don't remember ever thinking it was OK because of it.

And since MS keeps popping out in the thread *and students), did you know MS "sells" 4$ licenses to organizations that prove the OS will be used for learning? Several universities I talked to got upgraded to W7 Pro free.

So let's be honest. Being a student does allow you access to software (we got Windows, Office, AutoCAD, and a few other mammoths). This isn't about access, this is about personal use for whatever reasons. And being a student doesn't factor into it.

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	ysss	2010-09-19 , 19:37
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Children should be seen and not heard

I get a headache when I hear people rationalizing the values of other people's work to their heart content, with full ignorance on how the free market works.

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mmurfin87	2010-09-19 , 20:46
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Originally Posted by ndi

What we need is a poll that doesn't use a question asking if it's "ok". There is no OK. There's legal, moral, possible, likely, etc.

What happens if it's legally possible and morally wrong? What do we do about precedent, since it's a limited point of view, legal-wise (not the only law)?

Should a singer get 5 million for a song? No. But they do, so if you restore the natural order of things it's a regression and they feel like they've been wronged.

Free market works by reality not by law. That is, it's a system that self-adapts to the reality, not defined by rules. As a result, it's not a rule that a company should get fifty million for a game because they pumped 40 in it. You pump whatever you feel like and get what you get - that's it.

It has always been my opinion that once you make something public, it's public, deal with it.

The worst part is, once you make some concessions, the box is open. Like, say, not allowing user to re-sell the game. What does the company care who owns the game? Why pay again to re-register online? It's still one slot.

The line between "greed" and "right" is no more.

So, which OK is it? Moral? Legal? What's "right"? "Even"? "Best"?

And since when do excuses count? Is rape OK because you "can't get a woman"? Why would theft be OK because "I can't afford it"?

I buy most of my software now that I can afford it, what I can't I pirate. Don't remember ever thinking it was OK because of it.

And since MS keeps popping out in the thread *and students), did you know MS "sells" 4$ licenses to organizations that prove the OS will be used for learning? Several universities I talked to got upgraded to W7 Pro free.

So let's be honest. Being a student does allow you access to software (we got Windows, Office, AutoCAD, and a few other mammoths). This isn't about access, this is about personal use for whatever reasons. And being a student doesn't factor into it.

I agree 100%! Everything you said is spot on. Its the absolute truth.

Anybody thinking of arguing with this should just stop, because you're wrong.

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	Texrat	2010-09-19 , 20:53
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Originally Posted by mmurfin87

Anybody thinking of arguing with this should just stop, because you're wrong.

Well, I paid for an argument and all I get are contradictions.

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	ndi	2010-09-19 , 21:44
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Originally Posted by ysss

Children should be seen and not heard

[...] full ignorance on how the free market works.

Was that a general comment or a reply to my post?

If the latter, feel free to support your opinion, rather than just lob one over the fence. This child has a degree in said field, I'm fairly sure I can emulate an adult long enough to post.

Also, just to be clear, I wasn't offended. Sometimes the language barrier plays trick on me.

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geohsia	2010-09-19 , 22:23
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