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In the worst case, Jolla might charge it until the safety circuit on the battery refuses more, leaving Polarcell slightly overcharged, maybe to about 103% - but to be sure on this, Jolla battery curve needed, that or confirmation that the kernel chart is actually the original battery curve, values not fixed by any other chips/sensors on the phone
Until we know more, the best way to avoid negative effect on the battery lifespan is to not charge Polarcell batteries over 97% (checked by value on the lock screen on the phone). Safety circuit preventing dangerous overcharge should work, but even slight overcharge will reduce the lifespan of battery by few months.
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2015-08-16
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[BAT] 95( 95, 95.0, 93.9( 93.9) 0.0)v4290(4239)(-218,-212)t253,c -191210, 0(18910)r231,L4142,s10 [ 1539.060185] [BAT]## SOC= 95( 95, 95),4294(4290),A=-195,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 1539.061528] [BAT] Internal R 176 mOhm, I1:-99540uA I2:-218022uA V1:4274034uV V2:4294914uV [ 1641.038394] [BAT]vddmax = 4410 mV [ 1841.835952] [BAT]## SOC= 95( 95, 95),4303(4299),A=-212,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 1870.376865] [BAT] 96( 96, 96.0, 95.0( 95.0) 0.0)v4300(4252)(-208,-208)t253,c -210150, 0(18910)r231,L4142,s10 [ 1870.379825] [BAT]## SOC= 96( 96, 96),4304(4300),A=-207,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 2175.053501] [BAT]## SOC= 96( 96, 96),4312(4309),A=-198,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 2211.763436] [BAT] 97( 97, 97.0, 95.9( 95.9) 0.0)v4310(4264)(-201,-198)t253,c -229337, 0(18910)r230,L4142,s10 [ 2211.766366] [BAT]## SOC= 97( 97, 97),4314(4310),A=-200,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 2518.871783] [BAT]## SOC= 97( 97, 97),4324(4317),A=-228,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 2553.122813] [BAT] 98( 98, 98.0, 96.9( 96.6) 0.0)v4313(4278)(-153,-201)t253,c -248032, 0(18910)r230,L4142,s10 [ 2553.125804] [BAT]## SOC= 98( 98, 98),4317(4313),A=-197,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 2862.682801] [BAT]## SOC= 98( 98, 98),4329(4329),A=-197,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 2904.522783] [BAT] 99( 99, 99.0, 97.4( 97.4) 0.0)v4330(4285)(-193,-193)t253,c -266726, 0(18910)r230,L4142,s10 [ 2904.525743] [BAT]## SOC= 99( 99, 99),4334(4330),A=-192,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 3085.243460] [BAT]100(100, 99.5, 97.8( 97.8) 0.0)v4335(4290)(-193,-188)t253,c -276156, 0(18910)r230,L4142,s10 [ 3085.246360] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4339(4335),A=-178,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 3387.859392] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4347(4342),A=-190,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 3691.050144] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4353(4350),A=-139,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 3994.259300] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4353(4359),A=-180,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 4297.446878] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4374(4367),A=-158,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4390(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R08,W1B [ 4600.616938] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4360(4361),A=-119,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4370(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R08,W1B [ 4793.101235] [BAT]## STATUS: Charging -> Unknown (Real) [ 4793.101266] [BAT]## STATUS: Charging -> Unknown (AP) [ 4793.105691] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4355(4361),A=-107,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4370(0,0),ib=1000,0,F00,R08,W0B [ 4793.109262] [BAT]## STATUS: Unknown -> Charging (Real) [ 4793.109262] [BAT]## STATUS: Unknown -> Charging (AP) [ 4793.113931] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4370(4361),A=-040,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4370(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R08,W0B
[ 4920.996367] eoc_worker: End of Charging [ 4920.996672] [BAT]eoc_worker, EOC_WAKE_LOCK = 0, End of Charging [ 4920.996764] [BAT]pm8921_bms_charging_end, eoc_reached [ 4921.026246] [BAT]## cc_soc 100.7 -> 100.0 (EOC) [ 4921.026338] [BAT]## CC_ADJUST ## ocv=4142->4344( 202) soc=84.9->101.7 (-356838/16.8=21240) cps=18918->18918 valid=0 t253 (EOC Bypass) [ 4921.495894] [BAT]## STATUS: Charging -> Full (Real) [ 4921.495924] [BAT]## STATUS: Charging -> Full (AP) [ 4921.498641] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4370(4345),A=-001,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4370(0,0),ib=1000,1,F01,R08,W39 [ 4923.966365] [BAT]pm_chg_override_hot = 0 [ 4923.966427] [BAT]pm_chg_override_cold = 0 [ 5096.297328] [BAT]## STATUS: Full -> Charging (Real) [ 5096.297359] [BAT]## STATUS: Full -> Charging (AP) [ 5096.299678] [BAT]## STATUS: Charging -> Full (Real) [ 5096.299678] [BAT]## STATUS: Charging -> Full (AP) [ 5096.301479] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4341(4336),A=-001,T=253,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4370(0,0),ib=1000,1,F01,R08,W0
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2015-08-17
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[ 89.414314] [BAT]## STATUS: Discharging -> Charging (Real) [ 89.414375] [BAT]## STATUS: Discharging -> Charging (AP) [ 89.417121] [BAT]## SOC= 85( 86, 86),4074(4089),A=0249,T=311,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W3B [ 89.423470] [BAT]## SOC= 85( 86, 86),4187(4089),A=-243,T=310,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W3B [ 89.428200] [BAT] Internal R 285 mOhm, I1:165628uA I2:-188094uA V1:4077594uV V2:4178460uV [ 109.989287] [BAT]## SOC= 86( 86, 86),4193(4216),A=-225,T=309,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R01,W1B [ 377.235495] [BAT] 87( 87, 87.0, 90.4( 90.3) 0.0)v4250(4199)(-235,-236)t308,c -10823, 0(18910)r218,L4157,s10 [ 377.238486] [BAT]## SOC= 87( 87, 87),4254(4250),A=-242,T=308,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 668.396245] [BAT] 88( 88, 88.0, 91.6( 91.6) 0.0)v4261(4213)(-222,-222)t307,c -29353, 0(18910)r218,L4157,s10 [ 668.399206] [BAT]## SOC= 88( 88, 88),4295(4261),A=-227,T=306,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 969.596215] [BAT] 89( 89, 89.0, 92.5( 92.5) 0.0)v4272(4223)(-223,-223)t306,c -48130, 0(18910)r218,L4157,s10 [ 969.599175] [BAT]## SOC= 89( 89, 89),4281(4272),A=-317,T=306,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 1275.562276] [BAT]## SOC= 89( 89, 89),4283(4280),A=-204,T=306,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 1280.876880] [BAT] 90( 90, 90.0, 93.4( 93.4) 0.0)v4277(4233)(-204,-204)t306,c -67071, 0(18910)r218,L4157,s10 [ 1280.879810] [BAT]## SOC= 90( 90, 90),4283(4277),A=-206,T=306,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 1540.059117] [BAT]vddmax = 4420 mV [ 1581.018281] [BAT]## SOC= 90( 90, 90),4291(4289),A=-168,T=306,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 1602.156874] [BAT] 91( 91, 91.0, 94.6( 94.4) 0.0)v4297(4246)(-237,-218)t306,c -86175, 0(18910)r216,L4157,s10 [ 1602.159804] [BAT]## SOC= 91( 91, 91),4293(4297),A=-237,T=306,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 1902.503769] [BAT]## SOC= 91( 91, 91),4296(4300),A=-207,T=306,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 1933.476819] [BAT] 92( 92, 92.0, 95.3( 95.3) 0.0)v4300(4255)(-211,-208)t306,c -105362, 0(18910)r216,L4157,s10 [ 1933.479780] [BAT]## SOC= 92( 92, 92),4303(4300),A=-207,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 2555.019563] [BAT]## SOC= 93( 93, 93),4322(4315),A=-180,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 2596.116923] [BAT] 94( 94, 94.0, 96.6( 96.6) 0.0)v4316(4273)(-201,-199)t306,c -142669, 0(18910)r216,L4157,s10 [ 2596.119883] [BAT]## SOC= 94( 94, 94),4349(4316),A=-203,T=304,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 2902.797222] [BAT]## SOC= 94( 94, 94),4328(4329),A=-174,T=306,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 2947.557698] [BAT] 95( 95, 95.0, 97.5( 97.5) 0.0)v4327(4284)(-197,-197)t306,c -161774, 0(18910)r216,L4157,s10 [ 2947.560628] [BAT]## SOC= 95( 95, 95),4331(4327),A=-188,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 3252.030153] [BAT]## SOC= 95( 95, 95),4338(4334),A=-189,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 3298.958217] [BAT] 96( 96, 96.0, 98.4( 98.3) 0.0)v4337(4296)(-190,-192)t305,c -180632, 0(18910)r216,L4157,s10 [ 3298.961147] [BAT]## SOC= 96( 96, 96),4341(4337),A=-190,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 3600.428353] [BAT]## SOC= 96( 96, 96),4330(4345),A=-200,T=306,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 3670.478223] [BAT] 97( 97, 97.0, 99.1( 99.0) 0.0)v4336(4305)(-143,-187)t305,c -199737, 0(18910)r216,L4157,s10 [ 3670.481153] [BAT]## SOC= 97( 97, 97),4348(4336),A=-143,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 3951.598229] [BAT]## CV Mode enter, soc=97.7, ibat=-186 [ 3974.278986] [BAT]## SOC= 97( 97, 97),4350(4355),A=-180,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 3991.758217] [BAT]## CV Mode leave, soc=97.7, ibat=-186, cc_soc=97.8->97.7 [ 4092.157606] [BAT]## CV Mode enter, soc=97.9, ibat=-180 [ 4277.479810] [BAT]## SOC= 97( 97, 97),4364(4360),A=-167,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4420(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B [ 4493.758949] [BAT] 98( 98, 99.0,100.6(100.6) 98.0)v4365(4327)(-175,-175)t305,c -240816, 0(18910)r216,L4157,s10 [ 4493.761879] [BAT]## SOC= 98( 98, 98),4389(4365),A=-191,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4410(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R08,W1B [ 4794.012024] [BAT]## SOC= 98( 98, 98),4367(4360),A=-138,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4370(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R08,W1B [ 4865.238943] [BAT] 99( 99, 99.8,100.9(100.9) 99.0)v4360(4330)(-139,-139)t305,c -256395, 0(18910)r216,L4157,s10 [ 4865.241903] [BAT]## SOC= 99( 99, 99),4365(4360),A=-137,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4370(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R08,W1B [ 5167.053623] [BAT]## SOC= 99( 99, 99),4366(4361),A=-121,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4370(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R08,W1B [ 5618.239584] [BAT]100(100,100.1,101.6(101.6)100.0)v4362(4339)(-105,-105)t305,c -281485, 0(18910)r216,L4157,s10 [ 5618.242514] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4366(4362),A=-105,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4370(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R08,W1B [ 5628.279535] [BAT]## CV Mode leave, soc=97.9, ibat=-180, cc_soc=100.1->100.0 [ 5760.059544] eoc_worker: End of Charging [ 5760.059849] [BAT]eoc_worker, EOC_WAKE_LOCK = 0, End of Charging [ 5760.059941] [BAT]pm8921_bms_charging_end, eoc_reached [ 5760.088905] [BAT]## cc_soc 100.1 -> 100.0 (EOC) [ 5760.088996] [BAT]## CC_ADJUST ## ocv=4157->4342( 185) soc=86.5->101.8 (-285503/15.3=18660) cps=18918->18892 valid=1 t306 (EOC) [ 5760.558369] [BAT]## STATUS: Charging -> Full (Real) [ 5760.558430] [BAT]## STATUS: Charging -> Full (AP) [ 5760.561268] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4366(4342),A=0000,T=305,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4370(0,0),ib=1000,1,F01,R08,W39 [ 5763.029054] [BAT]pm_chg_override_hot = 0 [ 5763.029115] [BAT]pm_chg_override_cold = 0
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2015-08-18
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By later comment by @Giacomo Di Giacomo, this has nothing to do with actual overcharge, as the charging is stopped based on different factor (current)
All lithium batteries have the same voltages, plus or minus maybe one tenth of a volt. The battery real voltage ranges from about 3.6 V to about 4.4 V. Do not panic for one tenth of a volt of declared nominal voltage. That will only serve to declare a higher energy storage value.
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2015-08-24
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Ive got a "genuine" HTC battery about £16 from ebay arrived today
3.8VDC
2000mAh - jolla battery 2100mAh
7.60Wh - jolla battery 7.98Wh
Max charging voltage 4.35V
perfect fit
seems to charge ok
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2015-08-25
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2015-09-08
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Mad prices on ebay for HTC Desire 310 batteries:
£90.68 Polarcell from Germany
£71.14 from Ireland
But more moderate:
Genuine HTC Desire 310 2000mAh Battery - 35H00221-00M - BA S960
£17.95
Ordered myself one from akku-land.de, using the original link.
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I suspect it's the same battery as the Jolla one, the electrical characteristics are the same and the ribs on the plastic parts are identical as well.