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2008-09-19
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby
They should really just come right out and be straight with us, "We're breaking the promise, the N8x0 just can't handle all the cool stuff we're putting in Fremantle", instead of feeding us a ridiculous line of ******** like that.
Heh. A Nokia employee just told us that the N810 has already received two major releases.
Nokia employees have been very insistent that Diablo is not a major upgrade. Saying otherwise now is about as lame an excuse as they could give.
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2008-09-19
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
...and to be honest:
They should really just come right out and be straight with us, "We're breaking the promise, the N8x0 just can't handle all the cool stuff we're putting in Fremantle",
I wouldn't even care that much as I did with the 770. If Freemantle includes all the things we know about so far, I wouldn't expect it to run on my N800. And, more important: Of course I wouldn't want them to reduce the cool feature set to achieve compatibility. So please do, break the promise and get some life into Maemo. (OK, maybe backport enhancements that fit into the current architecture... Maemo 4.2, 4.3, 4.4...)
(When they abandoned the 770, nobody understood why and we had solid proof that OS2007 *did* in fact run on a 770. That was a different situation.)
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2008-09-19
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby
Rrrright... I think I'll side with GeneralAntilles' view on this, I don't own an N810 but I still think I have a good idea about how many major releases it got.. and it doesn't add up to two.
Heh. A Nokia employee just told us that the N810 has already received two major releases.
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2008-09-19
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Basically at the moment it's unsure how much of Fremantle can work with the N8X0 - simply impossible to say one way or the other, so commitments any way wouldn't be honest.
They should really just come right out and be straight with us, "We're breaking the promise, the N8x0 just can't handle all the cool stuff we're putting in Fremantle", instead of feeding us a ridiculous line of ******** like that.
Nokia employees have been very insistent that Diablo is not a major upgrade. Saying otherwise now is about as lame an excuse as they could give.
It's part of the idea of the Alpha/Beta SDK process also to try to make as much work as possible. (As the previous hacker editions can show.)
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2008-09-19
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Very much agreed.
I wouldn't even care that much as I did with the 770.
I'm not so bothered by them breaking the promise—if the new hardware is that much better (which it is), and the software is really going to make use of it, then what can you do? Really, I'm much more bothered by them trying to feed us that line of ******** like we're a bunch of gullible idiots or something.
Originally Posted by ragnar
Which is perfectly fine by me, if it doesn't make sense to do it—don't. Just break the promise and apologize, but don't try to pretend Nokia already fulfilled their promise with Diablo.
Basically at the moment it's unsure how much of Fremantle can work with the N8X0 - simply impossible to say one way or the other, so commitments any way wouldn't be honest.
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2008-09-19
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What could happen is that an intermediate device appears in early 2009 before Fremantle is ready. That would run another increment of OS2008 with a few goodies added. It would be labeled OS2009, thus counting as another major upgrade for the N8x9 platform and saving face.
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2008-09-19
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Well, Nokia is getting profits on new hardware, not old. I feel more sorry for N810WE customers. It seems they'd buy a device which is soon unsupported. Frankly, I can't believe that is true...
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2008-09-19
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Define unsupported.
Well, Nokia is getting profits on new hardware, not old. I feel more sorry for N810WE customers. It seems they'd buy a device which is soon unsupported. Frankly, I can't believe that is true...
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2008-09-19
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Starting with offtopic imho, this is not any official Nokia statement: Hopefully this doesn't sound patronizing, but users should buy devices to match their current needs. If the N810WE does what you want it to do, then buy it. It already does a lot of things really nicely.
Well, Nokia is getting profits on new hardware, not old. I feel more sorry for N810WE customers. It seems they'd buy a device which is soon unsupported. Frankly, I can't believe that is true...
Don't buy it now for something it _might_ be able to do in the future. (Edit: Of course within a device like this there is the promise of being able to install applications, but it's not a promise that applies infinitely to the future, with future versions that target improved hardware.) The N810WE does not have omap3, so surely expecting features that require the performance of such a hardware isn't really realistic.
As far as for the promise, I don't honestly remember who originally made that promise and in what context. I do remember hearing it myself also, but secondhand. I'd agree that if eventually it would happen that Fremantle wouldn't be usable - within the technical limitations of that device - then it was a wrong promise. But to repeat myself, we don't know this yet, so I wouldn't start apologizing for something that perhaps might work really well with the Nx0 HW after all.
The upcoming months will tell more. And people can participate in the SDK process and help to make Fremantle work on the N8X0 hardware.
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There was not one single major release after they started selling the N810.