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If Qt is abandong, Intel will always able to create a department for developing Qt and hiring some trolls. Since Qt is LGPLd already, it won't need to buy Trolltech / Nokia to do that. Since Intel is still basing its development on Qt they cannot let it die. It is also possible for KDE to fork Qt and Intel to sponsor developers to write code for it.

Also Intel is already familiar with opensource's dynamics and is able to work on an opensource project.
 
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I wonder if a class action suit is in order for misleading businesses into investing in the wrong direction:

http://www.nokia.com/press/press-rel...newsid=1453894
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

The threat's been there for years, and it's used by many vendors deliberately to avoid platform lock-in and increase cross-platform availability (Xilinx, for instance, uses Qt for their tools.) If it wasn't a threat before it won't be a threat going forward.
So do you think Qt represents a significant threat for MS or not? I'd say that it must represent a very significant threat if they are willing to spend "billions" in trying to derail it.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
No, for people who use Qt. There is no real worst case scenario for Microsoft, since at least on WP7 they bar all non .NET/CLR code (including "managed c++").
Why would it be the worst case scenario for KDE to fork Qt? I don't think you are making any sense. It would much worst if Qt is allowed to stagnate without any one picking it up.

As for MS, the worst case scenario is for Qt to become even stronger outside of Nokia's control. I personally think that is what is going to happen.
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Originally Posted by rm42 View Post
I wonder if a class action suit is in order for misleading businesses into investing in the wrong direction:

http://www.nokia.com/press/press-rel...newsid=1453894
I really don't think so because :
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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
I really don't think so because : ...


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Ah, the famous "fine print".

What about statements made at conferences?
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Originally Posted by rm42 View Post
I wonder if a class action suit is in order for misleading businesses into investing in the wrong direction:

http://www.nokia.com/press/press-rel...newsid=1453894
The true irony is that just with that press conference Nokia gained 6% stock value, rising to 8.23 and finally breaking the 7 mark it held since the massive drop in the spring, tho it quickly dissipated afterward. They managed to get back to the same value by the end of Jan '11 (no doubt sales reports helped there) and were steadily fluctuating around the middle `eights` up until last Friday and the new announcement of 'strategic partnership' - with a company well known to suck out dry all their past 'strategic partners' - and the massive drop in the past two trading days - almost at minimum value for the past several, tough years (and there is a good possibility it might even go bellow 6 at which point investors should be quite worried).

Judging by the stock market, it's clear what the market thinks of both of those strategies

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Just to visualize it:

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Originally Posted by rm42 View Post
So do you think Qt represents a significant threat for MS or not? I'd say that it must represent a very significant threat if they are willing to spend "billions" in trying to derail it.
No, I don't think Qt represents a significant threat to MS. Linux does, however. But even that isn't why I think they're doing this.

Why would it be the worst case scenario for KDE to fork Qt? I don't think you are making any sense. It would much worst if Qt is allowed to stagnate without any one picking it up.
I suggest you work on your comprehension skills. The worst case is basically not a bad case at all, and has in fact been a benefit to open source as a whole. My point is that Qt cannot stagnate, and if it looks like MS/Nokia are going to try that, they can be bypassed entirely.

As for MS, the worst case scenario is for Qt to become even stronger outside of Nokia's control. I personally think that is what is going to happen.
And as I said earlier, if Qt was truly going to be a threat it would have been obvious years ago. However, in the grand scheme of things, a toolkit alone (even as advanced as Qt) is not a threat. Especially not when it works quite well on your OS.
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
And as I said earlier, if Qt was truly going to be a threat it would have been obvious years ago. However, in the grand scheme of things, a toolkit alone (even as advanced as Qt) is not a threat. Especially not when it works quite well on your OS.
Qt is not a threat, but it is a nuisance and a unwanted (and unnecessary) complication if it was to be ported to WP7. Both Nokia and Microsoft is betting their (smartphone) lives that WP7 will succeed, and anything that in one way or the other can jeopardize that is not worth it. In a couple of years time and WP has become what they want, the situation will be very different.

In the mean time Qt for Symbian is still alive, and it looks like Qt also will be ported to S40. In fact, it looks like Qt and S40 will be Nokias "Bada" for low end devices (or 75% of the sales to be more correct).
 
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Qt is not dead, according to this article.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2380331,00.asp

"Unequivocally, Qt is not dead," Aron Kozak, head of the Web and Community group at Nokia's Qt Development Frameworks, wrote in a Monday blog post. He acknowledged that it's "not the finest time in the history of Qt for sure, but also not the death of Qt that some of you are predicting either."

Well, if I were head of Qt I would say the same...
 
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Originally Posted by cBeam View Post
Qt is not dead, according to this article.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2380331,00.asp

"Unequivocally, Qt is not dead," Aron Kozak, head of the Web and Community group at Nokia's Qt Development Frameworks, wrote in a Monday blog post. He acknowledged that it's "not the finest time in the history of Qt for sure, but also not the death of Qt that some of you are predicting either."

Well, if I were head of Qt I would say the same...

well I am 100 percent sure he has right! it will survive in some way and after some thinking the community must fight back now! Microsoft may have killed Nokia but they will never ever get a chance to kill Qt. I am sure even EU would start a fight to take back Qt if Microsoft try to kill it:!!!!

Also dont forget it is used on Linux desktop and in several commercial apps.

so keep write apps in Qt imho.

(I was also afraidltgthis was the end for Qt but after some thinking I realised its not

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