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2007-09-24 , 05:46
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#321
I wouldn't take anything on any forum seriously. The iPod touch is a pretty sweet design. Like any product, wait for the second generation, or at least for the first software update.
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2007-09-24 , 18:10
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Originally Posted by kingka View Post
And yes, I missed a few "capitalisations" "or perhaps you meant...capitalization"
Ahhhh , English and American ... Sharing a common language ? Not always ...

I say potato , you say potatoe ... Let's call the whole thing off .


To business .

I have ordered an iPod touch , and it will replace my 770 for almost everything . If I can get a VNC app to run on the iPod , the 770 will be permanently resting .
 
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2007-09-24 , 18:41
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#323
I have an iPod touch and a 770, and am keeping both. They do different things.

And yes, If I write capitalization it in my browser it draws a red line under it and offers to correct it to use an 's' instead.
 
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2007-09-24 , 19:31
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#324
i have had an iphone for almost 2 weeks now, and even though I'd thought I'd hate Safari when I first saw the demo, I'm using my 770 90% less these days.
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2007-09-25 , 18:21
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Originally Posted by .wo View Post
If you are using windows, you should be able tou use webvnc.
Thanks for the pointer , I will give that a try . That should enable me to control a Windows machine , but if I want to use the VNC connection on my HiFidelio which is built into the device itself , I need to have my Windows machine connected to the HiFidelio , and then connect to the Windows VNC server from the iTouch , which seems a bit of a convoluted way of doing things .

Still , better than no VNC capabilities .
 
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2007-10-11 , 13:53
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Well I've just had a rather interesting lunch

I met three friends in a restaurant, one an MQ consultant (and ex Unix admin), another an IT security specialist (with a heavy Unix/Linux background) and the third a front office developer (perl, web dev etc. formerly a Unix administrator). All IT people, and all potential candidates for Nokia Tablets.

The front office developer brought along his hacked iPhone (which a colleague of his had just brought back to the UK from Boston) and we all had a look... I have to say it blows away the N800 in terms of usability, accessability and UI responsiveness. All applications worked and worked the same way, the gestures to perform actions such as deleting an email are intuitive and apps respond immediately - no pauses while the touchscreen fails to register or think about an event, no lag when displaying photos or videos (photo AND video scaling is impressive, the N800 even with mplayer is sadly put to shame [I blame the cruddy video bandwidth and lack of hardware acceleration]), and applications when started appear instantly.

I then pulled out my N800 and started Kagu, which inexplicably crashed (it locked up on the main scroll screen and I had to kill it, and now it's not starting at all). At this point it occurred to me that maybe Apple has a point when they try to restrict what software is installed on their devices! I also noticed how long it took apps - any app - to start on the N800 as apps start almost immediately on the iPhone whereas on the N800 the infoprint appears for several seconds before the application appears (how have Apple achieved this?) Then started the comments about my "steam driven technology" so I put it away having taken a severe verbal beating!

Everyone was impressed by the iPhone - even other restaurant diners were craning their necks for a look - while the big, fat, ugly N800 was derided.

Dunno what else to say really, just relating my experience of a side-by-side demonstration in front of technical people. God help Nokia selling this to mere mortals.... Chinook needs to at least match the iPhone UI in terms of appeal, usability, responsiveness and above all quality while the upcoming Nokia hardware needs to be small and light - the N800 is probably double the weight and thickness of the iPhone yet it seems less powerful than the iPhone.

While products such as the iPhone remain light years ahead of what Nokia are offering, nobody will take Nokia tablets seriously except a tiny fraction of the geek population (and the friends I met today are also geeks, but worryingly even they turned up their noses at the N800).

In the meantime I'm patiently waiting for the Chinook beta to appear...
 
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2007-10-11 , 14:20
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#327
I defer to iBall's comment in another thread. Those IT professionals you lunch with may give the N800 a hard time at the table, but if they had to select a device to actually help them with their work, the iPhone won't be it.

I say that as an IT professional who uses his N800 in a work environment quite often. The iPhone flat cannot do nor will the current incarnation ever be able to do what I'm needing.
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2007-10-11 , 14:27
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Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
I have to say it blows away the N800 in terms of usability, accessability and UI responsiveness. All applications worked and worked the same way, the gestures to perform actions such as deleting an email are intuitive and apps respond immediately - no pauses while the touchscreen fails to register or think about an event, no lag when displaying photos or videos (photo AND video scaling is impressive, the N800 even with mplayer is sadly put to shame [I blame the cruddy video bandwidth and lack of hardware acceleration]), and applications when started appear instantly.

I then pulled out my N800 and started Kagu, which inexplicably crashed (it locked up on the main scroll screen and I had to kill it, and now it's not starting at all). At this point it occurred to me that maybe Apple has a point when they try to restrict what software is installed on their devices! I also noticed how long it took apps - any app - to start on the N800 as apps start almost immediately on the iPhone whereas on the N800 the infoprint appears for several seconds before the application appears (how have Apple achieved this?) Then started the comments about my "steam driven technology" so I put it away having taken a severe verbal beating!

Everyone was impressed by the iPhone - even other restaurant diners were craning their necks for a look - while the big, fat, ugly N800 was derided.
This is what worries me about Nokia's plans to perhaps compete in this market... I've had the iPhone for about a month now and I hope that whatever Nokia comes out next better match the iPhone in terms of speed and usability. Because if it doesn't, its already lost. What's funny is my "hacked" iPhone is running the older firmware and what is considered still to be an "unfinished" version of the software.

Seeing how both OS's are still in its infancy, Nokia is running a distant second.
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2007-10-11 , 16:29
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Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
The front office developer brought along his hacked iPhone (which a colleague of his had just brought back to the UK from Boston) and we all had a look... I have to say it blows away the N800 in terms of usability, accessability and UI responsiveness. All applications worked and worked the same way, the gestures to perform actions such as deleting an email are intuitive and apps respond immediately - no pauses while the touchscreen fails to register or think about an event, no lag when displaying photos or videos (photo AND video scaling is impressive, the N800 even with mplayer is sadly put to shame [I blame the cruddy video bandwidth and lack of hardware acceleration]), and applications when started appear instantly.
I've heard different things about UI consistency on the iPhone (<spit!>). Things pertaining to screen rotation, keyboard usage, even basic "gestures" that vary or are simply inaccessible, depending on the applet you "run".

I then pulled out my N800 and started Kagu, which inexplicably crashed (it locked up on the main scroll screen and I had to kill it, and now it's not starting at all). At this point it occurred to me that maybe Apple has a point when they try to restrict what software is installed on their devices! I also noticed how long it took apps - any app - to start on the N800 as apps start almost immediately on the iPhone whereas on the N800 the infoprint appears for several seconds before the application appears (how have Apple achieved this?) Then started the comments about my "steam driven technology" so I put it away having taken a severe verbal beating!

Everyone was impressed by the iPhone - even other restaurant diners were craning their necks for a look - while the big, fat, ugly N800 was derided.

Dunno what else to say really, just relating my experience of a side-by-side demonstration in front of technical people. God help Nokia selling this to mere mortals.... Chinook needs to at least match the iPhone UI in terms of appeal, usability, responsiveness and above all quality while the upcoming Nokia hardware needs to be small and light - the N800 is probably double the weight and thickness of the iPhone yet it seems less powerful than the iPhone.

While products such as the iPhone remain light years ahead of what Nokia are offering, nobody will take Nokia tablets seriously except a tiny fraction of the geek population (and the friends I met today are also geeks, but worryingly even they turned up their noses at the N800).

In the meantime I'm patiently waiting for the Chinook beta to appear...
If slight delays in starting applications and a non-unified user interface are the only price to pay for an open platform, I'll gladly pay through the nose.

Besides, I'm of the opinion that the only thing a unified user interface achieves, is to restrict both what a user can do and what a developer wants to be done.
 
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Two interesting articles (and commentary) I came across today, with some of the thoughtful analysis missing from the typical offering:

http://counternotions.com/2007/10/09...nce-for-apple/

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/ptech/1....ap/index.html
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