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2011-08-10
, 06:03
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#392
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You're not wrong, if You keep in mind that running hildon-home and derrivatives, with it's dependencies, will allow most (?) applications written for maemo, to work flawlessly in CordiaTAB, keeping full Meego possibilities, mainstream kernel etc.
If I'm wrong, please correct me.
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2011-08-10
, 07:00
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#393
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Sadly I will have to correct you.. the modified Hildon GTK+ will not transplant well to modern systems and there is a very high likelihood that all apps will have to be modded to run on top of stock GTK+ and Hildon. Stskeeps said once that MaemoPad had to be significantly modded.
There is significant amount of work to be done to replicate the Hildon stack. Just look at how much trouble the Mer project had. They even used a Hildon GTK+ (breaking most other gtk stuff and making it stuck at ancient gtk version)
I'm hearing around that MeeGo Community Edition is looking to transfer more governance roles to community. Maybe that is a direction people/maemo.org/maemo.org council should consider? Comes with people /team responsible to maintain the difficult hardware adaptation parts for N900/N950 and a basic working set of functionality/UI and already working app stack.
What are your thoughts?
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2011-08-10
, 07:36
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@ Finland
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#394
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I'm hearing around that MeeGo Community Edition is looking to transfer more governance roles to community. Maybe that is a direction people/maemo.org/maemo.org council should consider?
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2011-08-10
, 13:54
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#395
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Yep. pretty much except one has to understand that the governance model in MeeGo is based on meritocracy and people who *do* things tend to get recognized. For example: Stskeeps worked his *** off to enable MeeGo on ARM boards and now he's the MeeGo arm maintainer.
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2011-08-10
, 14:01
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@ Italy
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#396
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Sadly I will have to correct you.. the modified Hildon GTK+ will not transplant well to modern systems and there is a very high likelihood that all apps will have to be modded to run on top of stock GTK+ and Hildon. Stskeeps said once that MaemoPad had to be significantly modded.
There is significant amount of work to be done to replicate the Hildon stack. Just look at how much trouble the Mer project had. They even used a Hildon GTK+ (breaking most other gtk stuff and making it stuck at ancient gtk version)
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2011-08-10
, 14:12
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#397
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This was the main point I was referring to. HW is useless without SW, but SW cannot exist with no HW! I agree on the fact we have to concentrate on SW but without HW to play with everything we can do is without REAL goals.
So again, which is the direction we should go? The fact we have an HW adaption layer for the 900 is a good step for keeping devices up to date as much as possible. Are we ready to abandon our 770 and 800/810? I think Meego is the the right path to follow now (and a project like Cordia can keep going Hildon desktop for people who likes its interface), but I am reluctant to move on Meego.org (only a lurker there). I - as already said - have no enough skills to take a good decision because I cannot master 'the big picture', but I am ready to follow some (good) suggestion when they arrive and to support a path leading to a 'free' HW coupled with 'free' SW. I mean, not ideologically, but an HW with wich I decide want I want to do and WHEN to dismiss it, not the corp. who produced it.
Again, I am ready to go to a CordiaTab, but we already saw many 'open' projects to fail miserably because what is needed is something USEFUL and NOW. A nice piece of equipment just for the sake of it is totally useless, I have to browse with it, to make calculus, to fix my appointments, to save contacts and to take notes with. And perhaps to read a (free or paid) book when I have some time or to hear (free or paid - I am an old style man with 500+ vynils and 400+ cds, almost all ripped in .ogg) music with it. I don't care to show it to my friends and to say 'hey, look at it and see how cool is it, isn't it??? Nobody has a tablet like mine...'
No, I need something useful and with which I decide which contact had to be synced with my google contacts. I don't want everything of my life to published on Facebook, I decide what to share and what's mine.
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2011-08-10
, 14:22
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@ Italy
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#398
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Cordiatab looks like excellent point from the point of hardware openness (this still has to be proven). [...]
4 - simply let it die, and focus on projects like cordiatab, or any other where manufactorer is willing to provide open specification or OSS drivers.
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2011-08-10
, 14:28
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#399
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Nokia tried to follow this path and had been squashed - and before somebody say something, I have
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2011-08-10
, 14:38
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@ Finland
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#400
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goodbye nokia, maemo.org, troll party, winding down |
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If I'm wrong, please correct me.
Also, important thing - if not most important - is that Meego is open source "core" of system, where You also need user interface. Swipe UI in N9 is closed source. With Cordia, we have open source core with open source (as long as we don't need to run any closed source parts of Maemo on Cordia) UI.
With CordiaTAB, You can add fully compliant, quite modern hardware (with such missed things as HDMI output, multitouch, etc), that we can order without big companies involved.
Also, keep in mind, that *if* CordiaTAB project will suceed, next incarnation - after 2-3 years - is probably going to be device designed by us, so we can finally achieve goal of focusing on software, with hardware made especially for it (not grabbing every compliant hardware, that big companies are throwing @ us, no matter how flawed - like with N9 or N950).
N900's aluminum backcover / body replacement
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N900's HDMI-Out
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Camera cover MOD
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Measure battery's real capacity on-device
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TrueCrypt 7.1 | ereswap | bnf
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