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2011-08-05
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Bug 9314 - Re-license BME
So far the bme has following two reasons for being closed sourced:
Let's assume we can somehow address security concerns (e.g we ensure common user can not be subverted to install bogus package).
So there is something that is somehow so valuable that it can not be released as open source. I still think we should try to somehow overcome that restraint.
How about releasing a specification for hardware interface + providing simpler, usable, less efficient, but still safe algorithm as the replacement for the advanced closed source variant, that would not threat the differentiation goals of Nokia?
The benefit is that the user can still choose between more efficient closed source variant and less efficient open source variant. The whole thing should be used as backup plan, when Nokia finds itself unable to provide the closed sourced package in future.
The question applies to 770, N800, N810, N900.
Last edited by momcilo; 2011-08-05 at 20:39.
So far the bme has following two reasons for being closed sourced:
- security
- differentiation
Let's assume we can somehow address security concerns (e.g we ensure common user can not be subverted to install bogus package).
So there is something that is somehow so valuable that it can not be released as open source. I still think we should try to somehow overcome that restraint.
How about releasing a specification for hardware interface + providing simpler, usable, less efficient, but still safe algorithm as the replacement for the advanced closed source variant, that would not threat the differentiation goals of Nokia?
The benefit is that the user can still choose between more efficient closed source variant and less efficient open source variant. The whole thing should be used as backup plan, when Nokia finds itself unable to provide the closed sourced package in future.
The question applies to 770, N800, N810, N900.
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2011-08-05
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#403
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Start with the easy packages first right? You will NEVER get the source to BME. Ever.
Originally Posted by momcilo
Bug 9314 - Re-license BME
So far the bme has following two reasons for being closed sourced:
- security
- differentiation
Let's assume we can somehow address security concerns (e.g we ensure common user can not be subverted to install bogus package).
So there is something that is somehow so valuable that it can not be released as open source. I still we think we should try to somehow overcome that restraint.
How about releasing a specification for hardware interface + providing simpler, usable, less efficient, but still safe algorithm as the replacement for the advanced closed source variant, that would not threat the differentiation goals of Nokia?
The benefit is that the user can still choose between more efficient closed source variant and less efficient open source variant. The whole thing should be used as backup plan, when Nokia finds itself unable to provide the closed sourced package in future.
The question applies to 770, N800, N810, N900.
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2011-08-05
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#404
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Originally Posted by misterc
The last two years my sense of humor has diminished significantly, so I can't take credit for better behavior.
from the posts i have seen from you lately, i think you made steady improvement there
certainly as far as joking is concerned...
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2011-08-05
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Originally Posted by vi_
Both difficult and critical package at the same time, besides I did not ask for the source of BME.
Start with the easy packages first right? You will NEVER get the source to BME. Ever.
I've asked for:
- hardware interface specification
- independent charging algorithm
The first one ensures we can interact with the charging process. The second one does not need to compete with closed source BME. It should provide redundant solution.
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2011-08-05
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Originally Posted by Texrat
don't take it so seriously...
The last two years my sense of humor has diminished significantly, so I can't take credit for better behavior.
it's not that important, is it?
as far as i'm concerned, you still get a good grade...
well, 1/2 a good grade, that is, for the joke part
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2011-08-05
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Originally Posted by misterc
Change in job/financial situation in 2009 was pretty drastic. Not happy since. Working on it though. Thanks for the good grade.
don't take it so seriously...
it's not that important, is it?
as far as i'm concerned, you still get a good grade...
well, 1/2 a good grade, that is, for the joke part
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2011-08-05
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Originally Posted by Texrat
sorry about that
Change in job/financial situation in 2009 was pretty drastic. Not happy since. Working on it though.
sharing your pain
Originally Posted by Texrat
welcome!
Thanks for the good grade.
appraisal is important, right?
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2011-08-05
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momcilo, vi_,
no disrespect for your discussion about BME.
just not sure how much worse then NOKIA's solution anything could possibly be
also don't understand the security + secrecy aspects.
i happened to use my phones for a few days in 2G and without any network feature and the batteries never even showed any sign of drain.
that changed drastically when i started to make pictures, however
so, yeah, the battery drain doesn't have anything to do w/ batteries or design of the N900 but simply with the wealth of features it offers... and ppl simply use.
it's a trade off.
back to the topic, from How long does your battery last? as well as from many packages in the various repositories, i was under the impression the battery was well under control
or does it have to do w/ the USB port that has like, well, three functions i can think of
- data
- charging
- boot "choice"
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no disrespect for your discussion about BME.
just not sure how much worse then NOKIA's solution anything could possibly be
also don't understand the security + secrecy aspects.
i happened to use my phones for a few days in 2G and without any network feature and the batteries never even showed any sign of drain.
that changed drastically when i started to make pictures, however
so, yeah, the battery drain doesn't have anything to do w/ batteries or design of the N900 but simply with the wealth of features it offers... and ppl simply use.
it's a trade off.
back to the topic, from How long does your battery last? as well as from many packages in the various repositories, i was under the impression the battery was well under control
or does it have to do w/ the USB port that has like, well, three functions i can think of
- data
- charging
- boot "choice"
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2011-08-05
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Much more interesting (and less based on unproved assumption) research about bme was done by joerg_rw, shadowjk, 412b and others - I recommend searching for and reading their findings.
Basically, my uneducated (and possibly wrong) "short conclusion" is that replacing bme would bring need for rewriting many other maemo parts (API?), + loss of possibility to charge @ 500 mA from computer USB port (only 100 mA - ho ever, charging via wall charger wouldn't be limited). Long story short, doable, but hard and requiring much, *much* work.
Also, I agree that asking about releasing source code for bme *or* even some simple replacement entity (tm
) from Nokians is pure waste of time. Cause obvious, historical reasons
Basically, my uneducated (and possibly wrong) "short conclusion" is that replacing bme would bring need for rewriting many other maemo parts (API?), + loss of possibility to charge @ 500 mA from computer USB port (only 100 mA - ho ever, charging via wall charger wouldn't be limited). Long story short, doable, but hard and requiring much, *much* work.
Also, I agree that asking about releasing source code for bme *or* even some simple replacement entity (tm
) from Nokians is pure waste of time. Cause obvious, historical reasons
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N900's aluminum backcover / body replacement
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N900's HDMI-Out
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Camera cover MOD
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Measure battery's real capacity on-device
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TrueCrypt 7.1 | ereswap | bnf
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certainly as far as joking is concerned...