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2007-02-27
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Sorry to burst your bubble :-) And please do not reedit you posts to change the meaning, it is confusing. The feature is here mostly for fixing spelling mistakes. And you're wrong again. I'm not hurt at all :-) I've seen you type over net many times. Feel free to continue, just don't expect me to answer your posts and correct your mistakes. Even writing in red will not help :-)
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2007-02-27
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@ Barbados
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Ok people we've all made our points. I recommend that you turn on you PC screen saver and take a walk.
Conflict is good because it creates growth. But only when people are civil and understanding.
Also, let's not make this thing (ie. the whole issue of development and how it looks) more important that the actual work that is going on.
What I mean is. All software companies do this. Make code, break it, make it again and break it again. There are programmers all over the world in bilion dollar companies with unfinished code on their PCs/servers. The only difference is that Nokia allowed the development work to go on outside their office in his place (and others like it).
So what is happened here in the sausage factory and it's untidyness is no different from at intel, microsoft, apple and the others around the world. The difference is no one sees it.
We want the librarys cleaned up. Great idea. Have you all ever had your room really messy but you could find stuff and the your mom passes through and cleans everything up?
Let's calm ourselves down and think rationally. The n800 is a work in progress and this is the factory. Lets remember to view it from that angle and not from the finished product and angle, where everything is documented and stored under nice folders and labeled.
I would encourage developers however to perhaps designate a tester or group of testers and a Quality Assurance person/group to test final release programs and then that person/group alone is authorized to list software in the completed directory.
Last edited by dbec10; 2007-02-27 at 12:12.
Conflict is good because it creates growth. But only when people are civil and understanding.
Also, let's not make this thing (ie. the whole issue of development and how it looks) more important that the actual work that is going on.
What I mean is. All software companies do this. Make code, break it, make it again and break it again. There are programmers all over the world in bilion dollar companies with unfinished code on their PCs/servers. The only difference is that Nokia allowed the development work to go on outside their office in his place (and others like it).
So what is happened here in the sausage factory and it's untidyness is no different from at intel, microsoft, apple and the others around the world. The difference is no one sees it.
We want the librarys cleaned up. Great idea. Have you all ever had your room really messy but you could find stuff and the your mom passes through and cleans everything up?
Let's calm ourselves down and think rationally. The n800 is a work in progress and this is the factory. Lets remember to view it from that angle and not from the finished product and angle, where everything is documented and stored under nice folders and labeled.
I would encourage developers however to perhaps designate a tester or group of testers and a Quality Assurance person/group to test final release programs and then that person/group alone is authorized to list software in the completed directory.
Last edited by dbec10; 2007-02-27 at 12:12.
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2007-02-27
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@ Helsinki, Finland
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@w14,
Sorry dude. I thought there was a discourse here but someone feelings got hurt, and they decided to lash out as only children will do. Anyway, thanks for your input. It was probably one of the best posts in this thread.
Sorry dude. I thought there was a discourse here but someone feelings got hurt, and they decided to lash out as only children will do. Anyway, thanks for your input. It was probably one of the best posts in this thread.
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2007-02-27
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@ Helsinki, Finland
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Originally Posted by dbec10
Ok people we've all made our points. I recommend that you turn on you PC screen saver and take a walk.
Conflict is good because it creates growth. But only when people are civil and understanding.
Also, let's not make this thing (ie. the whole issue of development and how it looks) more important that the actual work that is going on.
What I mean is. All software companies do this. Make code, break it, make it again and break it again. There are programmers all over the world and bilion dollar companies with unfinished code on their PCs/servers. The only difference is that Nokia allowed the development to go outside their office to his place (and others like it).
So what is happened here in the sausage factory and its untidyness is no different from at intel, microsoft, apple and the others around the world.
We want the librarys cleaned up. Great idea. Have you all ever had your room really messy but you could find stuff and the your mom passes through and cleans everything up?
Let's calm ourselves down and think ratuonally. The n800 is a work in progress and this is the factory. Lets remember to view it from that angle and not from the finished product and angle, where everything is documented and stored under nice folders and labeled.
I would encourage developers however to perhaps designate a tester or group of testers and a Quality Assurance person/group to test final release programs and then that person/group alone is authorized to list software in the completed directory.
I am all for this. I will be a tester for sure. As I am in the biz world, biz apps are a need thing. I have sold 3 of these devices to friends of mine that have no idea what to do with them but they all see the potential. Their biggest complaint is that there are no really good apps and the syncing is missing. These are people that would pay to have a good and reliable application on their device. If there are some out there in this community, then let's hear about it.
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2007-02-27
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Originally Posted by Modulok
You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm talking about. If that's my error, I apologize, but given how you just responded I'm not sure where to start in order to clarify. Device independence is the gist of it, ie, where the OS for future Nxxx iterations is not nearly as device-specific as OS2006 and OS2007 are.
Sorry but this does not make sense to me. It is also possible to separate hardware in one OS. No fork is needed, just a line in a configuration file.
Separating OS 2006 from OS 2007 means simply that the support of OS 2006 and the Nokia 770 ends.
Its like dropping Xfree and continuing with Xorg ...
Try referring to Ari's blog posts. That might help.
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2007-02-27
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@ Wales UK
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saporobaby is now on my ignore list!
This is the first time I've ever done this.
This is the first time I've ever done this.
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2007-02-27
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If nothing else the thread was entertaining. I like the irony that developed from "just an observation - (no flames please)". 
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2007-02-27
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@ Helsinki, Finland
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Well whatever but my initial observations still stand. The N800 needs a more structured approach as dbec10, and others pointed out. I and others would be willing to do non-developmental work in the form of testing, or organizing if need be. This was the reason behind my original post starting this thread.
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2007-02-27
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It's sorta like the free market, there's a lot of options out there that aren't always perfect. If this bothers you, then you should probably stick to the complete first party solutions provided by Microsoft and Palm.
The Maemo community is worse off than most other open source platforms due its small size and relative newness (as well as the various incompatibilities between the 770 and the N800). Yes, it's irritating to run upon a lot of abandoned and incomplete projects, and I can't say that I've had as rough of an experience as you claim to have had (perhaps I'm just more used to the quirks of the opensource community), but this is hardly a reason to start regulating what can and can't be on the repositories. In any case, give it time, things will get better.
The Maemo community is worse off than most other open source platforms due its small size and relative newness (as well as the various incompatibilities between the 770 and the N800). Yes, it's irritating to run upon a lot of abandoned and incomplete projects, and I can't say that I've had as rough of an experience as you claim to have had (perhaps I'm just more used to the quirks of the opensource community), but this is hardly a reason to start regulating what can and can't be on the repositories. In any case, give it time, things will get better.
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2007-02-27
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Originally Posted by fanoush
Okay, show me where I can pay a resonable amount (50-100€ per Licence) of money for:
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I think you started this thread because you believed an illusion that you can have free lunch and then woke up dissapointed. In reality There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. If you want only polished stuff then just wait until someone pays money for that.
Amen.
+ A stable Browser that can at least do Flash
+ A useable PIM that can replace a WinCE PDA that works on 2006 and 2007
+ A functioning Writing Program (NOT TeX) that works on 2006 and 2007
+ A GUI-based programing IDE for the beast (Platform does not matter)
+ JAVA 1.5 would be nice
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Sorry but Software I can not buy is of no use.