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Hmmm...
...but that I felt that Librem 5 would fail because their approach looked like a naive port of Desktop Linux.
Maemo's similarity to a desktop system in every aspect, including the update mechanism, is exactly what attracts me to it.

Sailfish's effort to emulate Android (and, presumably, iOS, although I have zero experience to judge) in every aspect (or, as they call it, "to be a 'modern' OS", whatever that is supposed to mean) is exactly what puts me off.
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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
Hmmm...


Maemo's similarity to a desktop system in every aspect, including the update mechanism, is exactly what attracts me to it.

Sailfish's effort to emulate Android (and, presumably, iOS, although I have zero experience to judge) in every aspect (or, as they call it, "to be a 'modern' OS", whatever that is supposed to mean) is exactly what puts me off.
what's the point of presuming of something with zero experince?
They are not alike. Except that all of them have some kind of store(s). Adroid doesn't have repos and you can't update just one component/package via terminal. At least not as easy as you do it on sailfish. If that is the most attractive component of the OS than Sailfish is 35875284x more like desktop than any other mobile OS.
 

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Maemo was to be a computer in your pocket first and mobile phone second (or third, fourth... or dead last!). It surely had it's advantages, but also disadvantages:

- Being like downsized desktop OS usually results in slower device, N900 was slow to boot up and even slower to update all the repositories every time when trying to install some app, for consumer device it's not acceptable even if it allows some kind of "privacy"
- Previous can be mitigated with some serious optimization to some degree, however, being on top of X brings additional limitations that cannot be fixed, nor mitigated (hence Sailfish was designed on top of Wayland)
- Almost no go without HW keyboard, this of course doesn't bother anyone who explicitly want HW keyboard (like me, I just don't want the device to be thick as a freaking brick...) but it's no go for consumer market
- Without compatibility layer for Android commercial software is severely limited and OSS may not be that optimized for mobile pocket computer, which again rules it out from consumer market

In the end devices like N900 would be very much like niche in niche product. In my experience, N900/Maemo 5 was quite effective but in every day use Harmattan or Sailfish is just more efficient, thought it's more limited in sense that it's not meant to be like sysadmins pocket-tool for "doing it all".
 

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Originally Posted by kinggo View Post
what's the point of presuming of something with zero experince?
Yeah, I should have left that bit out.

They are not alike. Except that all of them have some kind of store(s).
You know, that reminds me of the old joke about the guy who had painted each side of his car a different colour. When asked why, he replied that it was to confuse eye witnesses in case of an accident.

The point is, Sailfish and Android may look "totally different" to you if you only focus on one side of the thing. But there are also similarities and, to me, those far outweigh the differences. You may dismiss them because you are used to them and expect them to be the feature of a "modern" mobile OS, and thus you do not even see them as similarities, but that was exactly my point.

A bit like the English people thinking of their language as "totally different" from German when in fact there are far more similarities than differences.
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well, every UI is similar if you look at it that way. I mean, people without technical knowlegde will be lost in any new UI since they don't understand it and their usage pattern is based on learned moves with zero thinking. For me, if I know what software does I'll find my way to do that (OK, that won't make me PS or CAD expert) but as Gnome shell user I wont be lost with any other DE. Some I'll navigate faster than the other but I can sure any of them. Because they are all more similar then it looks. And do the same thing.
Can't say the same for my wife. Even when it comes to android that she's using on a daily basis since HTC Hero days and still I'm way faster even with her phone than she is.
One of the best example for that is new Peugeot i-cockpit. People are bashing that on every review and owners complain that it's way to copmlicated for basic things. Sure, it's not like analog buttons for everything but it's way more simpler than one can conclude from different reviews if one can think outside of the box and accept that just because something is different it's not bad.
 
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