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2007-10-04
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#61
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I'm a fan of Nokia's devices... However, not everyone has the time to peruse a forum such as this and find out ways to "fix" their tablet. Nokia's method of support and distribution for the N770/N800 seems unintuitive.
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2007-10-04
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@ Michigan, USA
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Well, I guess because Nokia does not pay me, this is not my job, or my problem. It was well known that large tar fiiles caused a reboot 50% of the time, perhaps nokia should read ITT?
Nor should I be responsible for doing texrats job! I was working on printing from the IT, which was sadly missing from my perspective, I think I contribute plenty thank you.
But as zeroj says, I am just clueless. Say what you need to, but some simple scripts to generate high I/O on new firmware, that supports new cards would have shown this issue. But why do that when your customers can do this for you?
I expect no more from Nokia than I expect from any large manufacturer, step up!! This is not marketed as a hacker tool, its marketed as an end user device that should be easy to use. Does nokia have obligation to test this with all the cards on the market, while stress testing, damn right they do.
Nor should I be responsible for doing texrats job! I was working on printing from the IT, which was sadly missing from my perspective, I think I contribute plenty thank you.
But as zeroj says, I am just clueless. Say what you need to, but some simple scripts to generate high I/O on new firmware, that supports new cards would have shown this issue. But why do that when your customers can do this for you?
I expect no more from Nokia than I expect from any large manufacturer, step up!! This is not marketed as a hacker tool, its marketed as an end user device that should be easy to use. Does nokia have obligation to test this with all the cards on the market, while stress testing, damn right they do.
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2007-10-04
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@ Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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#63
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Yeah, but I can't help trying anyways.
Zero, if all some people choose to do is skim the subject, you're wasting your time and effort leading them to water...
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2007-10-04
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Nokia and others - Clarification very much required on the fix before I flash it and buy a new large card:
My bug report gave details of SDHC card corruption that seemed to stem from just USB transfers. It didn't die for the last time during a file transfer of any kind - just audio playback.
Even now with smaller cards I still experience larger USB transfers stopping some way through, accompanied by the screen lighting up. Is this another bug I need to get involved with, and a separate issue to my SDHC card corruption?
I'm very pleased there is potentially a fix here, but I don't feel that the description of the problem that has been fixed (corruption caused by WLAN and inter-card transfers) matches some experiences logged in bug 1204. I was using USB for all transfers up to the point where my card died, after which ,ironically, I started to avoid it and used WLAN more.
All I really want is to be told confidently that I should buy another SDHC card and start to use this device as I originally wanted to. Help always appreciated!
My bug report gave details of SDHC card corruption that seemed to stem from just USB transfers. It didn't die for the last time during a file transfer of any kind - just audio playback.
Even now with smaller cards I still experience larger USB transfers stopping some way through, accompanied by the screen lighting up. Is this another bug I need to get involved with, and a separate issue to my SDHC card corruption?
I'm very pleased there is potentially a fix here, but I don't feel that the description of the problem that has been fixed (corruption caused by WLAN and inter-card transfers) matches some experiences logged in bug 1204. I was using USB for all transfers up to the point where my card died, after which ,ironically, I started to avoid it and used WLAN more.
All I really want is to be told confidently that I should buy another SDHC card and start to use this device as I originally wanted to. Help always appreciated!
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2007-10-04
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@ Montana
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
It was well known that large tar fiiles caused a reboot 50% of the time, perhaps nokia should read ITT?
Originally Posted by penguinbait
This is not marketed as a hacker tool, its marketed as an end user device that should be easy to use. Does nokia have obligation to test this with all the cards on the market, while stress testing, damn right they do.
So it's for simple end users that untar large files ?
But really just a couple things:
a) I untarred 2 different large (200+ MB gzipd) tar files on two different n800's yesterday without trouble. Both are using Kingston 8gb sdhc class 6 cards. I guess I'm in the lucky camp, or it's some card specific issue.
b) Is it even possible to constuct a list of "all" the cards on the market, much less keep up with them "all" and test "all" of them under every condition? At some point you have to design to the specs for a technology and then test a resposible amount. Does anyone test with every conceivable hardware combination? Certainly not M$
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2007-10-04
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@ Michigan, USA
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What I find very curious is the fact that they are trying to say this was a wlan issue. Are they afraid if they say it was a problem with mmc support in the kernel, people will demand that Nokia replace their cards? My problems had nothing to do with wlan, yet they seem mysteriously fixed.
I guess that is just the conspiracy theorist in me!
I guess that is just the conspiracy theorist in me!
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2007-10-04
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
They *did* say it was a problem with MMC support in the kernel and we got to be the unlucky ones to be the first to discover it. No, Nokia most likely won't be liable for your cards anyways... especially since the spec says that the card should be corrupted but never broken.
What I find very curious is the fact that they are trying to say this was a wlan issue. Are they afraid if they say it was a problem with mmc support in the kernel, people will demand that Nokia replace their cards? My problems had nothing to do with wlan, yet they seem mysteriously fixed.
I guess that is just the conspiracy theorist in me!
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2007-10-04
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Originally Posted by Moonshine
Welll yes end users following simple instructions posted by wonderful people at ITT
So it's for simple end users that untar large files ?
But really just a couple things:
a) I untarred 2 different large (200+ MB gzipd) tar files on two different n800's yesterday without trouble. Both are using Kingston 8gb sdhc class 6 cards. I guess I'm in the lucky camp, or it's some card specific issue.
b) Is it even possible to constuct a list of "all" the cards on the market, much less keep up with them "all" and test "all" of them under every condition? At some point you have to design to the specs for a technology and then test a resposible amount. Does anyone test with every conceivable hardware combination? Certainly not M$
untar large filesI guess you are lucky, I have the exact same card. try the same process 4 times on the old firmware, my luck was 50/50, same with 2gb kingston mmc mobile card
Well I understand what you are saying, other companies seem to do this. IBM owns lots of Oracle so they can be sure its supported on there systems, not just IBM DB2, or Informix, they test and certify EMC/Hitachi storage, even though they sell their own IBM storage. I think this is not too much to ask, I think they could afford to do the research if they wanted to.
But really this point is moot, since it was a wlan issue, not a card issue, so no amount of testing MMC/SD cards would have helped.....YEAH RIGHT!!!!
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2007-10-04
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@ Irving, TX
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Originally Posted by onion_cfe
onion_cfe: I just opened a new bug report #2073 in bugzilla that might be related to your problem. Please add your comments in there.
Nokia and others - Clarification very much required on the fix before I flash it and buy a new large card:
My bug report gave details of SDHC card corruption that seemed to stem from just USB transfers. It didn't die for the last time during a file transfer of any kind - just audio playback.
Even now with smaller cards I still experience larger USB transfers stopping some way through, accompanied by the screen lighting up. Is this another bug I need to get involved with, and a separate issue to my SDHC card corruption?
I'm very pleased there is potentially a fix here, but I don't feel that the description of the problem that has been fixed (corruption caused by WLAN and inter-card transfers) matches some experiences logged in bug 1204. I was using USB for all transfers up to the point where my card died, after which ,ironically, I started to avoid it and used WLAN more.
All I really want is to be told confidently that I should buy another SDHC card and start to use this device as I originally wanted to. Help always appreciated!
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2007-10-05
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#70
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FRUSTRATION IS OVER.
...linickx figured it out.
In our beloved application manager, change your maemo extras catalogue, in the "components section" from "free non-free" to just "free".
Then, go ahead and refresh.
You will then be able to download microb, python5, aisleriot, etc. etc. etc.
dcarter
...linickx figured it out.
In our beloved application manager, change your maemo extras catalogue, in the "components section" from "free non-free" to just "free".
Then, go ahead and refresh.
You will then be able to download microb, python5, aisleriot, etc. etc. etc.
dcarter