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2007-10-20 , 20:07
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Originally Posted by JeffElkins View Post
Color me confused. If I don't pony up the $130 what good is the internal N810 GPS? Wouldn't Google Maps serve me just as well? Is this a one-time price or a subscription racket? Is there an open-source alternative?

I've never used a GPS unit.

Jeff
From what I understand: MaemoMapper is an open-source app which will work with Google Maps using the internal GPS, but then you have to pre-download the maps beforehand (and this might be slightly in a gray area legally). It also will work with Virtual Earth maps, and the open source map site that I saw a link to earlier but can't remember the name.

The Google Maps website does not have GPS support, so it won't know where you are ever, and therefore isn't as good.

The built-in program on the n810 is free to use. It includes maps, and will show you your position and surrounding points of interest, probably including the roads, gas stations, hotels, stores, etc if its anything like the TomTom software I have. (Hopefully we'll also be able to add our own POI as well.)

What is NOT free on the built-in program is any navigation, voice prompts or not. That will cost $130 for a 3 year subscription, which when you consider that Telenav (a phone navigation program) is $10 a month, is pretty damn reasonable.
 
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2007-10-20 , 20:10
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I cannot reach www.wayfinder.com right now, but the google cache says it's a 36 months license.
The open-source alternative is maemomapper: it doesn't do the routing itself but it downloads it from the internet, as well as the maps. You can preload your route and the corresponding maps before the trip, but if you want to go somewhere else and don't have an internet connection available you cannot calculate a new route/get new map data.
 
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2007-10-20 , 20:25
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Originally Posted by JeffElkins View Post
Color me confused. If I don't pony up the $130 what good is the internal N810 GPS? Wouldn't Google Maps serve me just as well? Is this a one-time price or a subscription racket? Is there an open-source alternative?
Jeff,

The OS2008 will come with map software. This will do everything EXCEPT turn by turn directions and auto-routing. These will be a premium purchase through WayFinder.

In addition, there's Maemo Mapper, an open source application. Maemo Mapper will provide an almost identical feature set as the stock (non premium) map application included in OS2008. Maemo Mapper also supports routing, but will require an internet connect to recalculate routes on the fly.

So - in summary - the only caveat here is *turn by turn navigation and routing (w/o internet connection)*. If you want these services, you must purchase them through WayFinder.

If you want a Google Maps-like application for FREE. You will have at least two options. (For both the N810 and the N800 w/ external GPS)

I hope that clarifies it.

Originally Posted by Mara
It is working now. Need to go for a test drive...
Mara,

I take it you have a copy of OS2008 - how is the mapping application?
 
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2007-10-20 , 20:35
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Somebody should convince Google to port their Windows Mobile frontend for Google Maps to the Nokia Tablets. This application is free of charge, can find routes and supports GPS (too bad my smartphone cannot pair with my Nokia GPS mouse...). But it won't give you spoken directions.
 
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2007-10-20 , 20:48
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Originally Posted by pycage View Post
Somebody should convince Google to port their Windows Mobile frontend for Google Maps to the Nokia Tablets. This application is free of charge, can find routes and supports GPS (too bad my smartphone cannot pair with my Nokia GPS mouse...). But it won't give you spoken directions.
I, too, have the Google Maps Smartphone application and I suggest that you just use Maemo Mapper - it's damn near identical.

Especially when you use GMaps as the repository....
 
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JeffElkins is offline JeffElkins
2007-10-20 , 21:18
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Thanks for the feedback. The $43/year subscription really gives me pause. Looking at Amazon I see quite a range of GPS units that seem to be a one-time fee and offer voice/navigation features. Not being a GPS maven I have no idea how good they are, but both the sub-$200 Garmin and Tom-Tom units have good user reviews.

This is very disappointing. A one-time fee to fully utilize the GPS was bad enough, but a subscription service...oh my.

Jeff
 
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2007-10-20 , 21:28
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Originally Posted by Mara View Post
It should. However, I have not been able to pair my i-Blue GPS receiver with OS2008: It forces to enter passcode, and i-Blue does not support this feature...
0000 is the code
 
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2007-10-20 , 21:32
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Originally Posted by Garage Battle View Post
Archos pulls this same stuff.

The device has the mapping software loaded on. You get a free trial of the 'navigation features/POI', then they want you to give them another $130 to them to unlock it. Absolutely absurd.

If I am paying $200+ dollars more for basically the same unit, that is the cost of a full GPS kit from Navicore. Dont pull that crap about sliding keyboards, etc, because Nokia has saved the R&D cost by basically recycling most of the old unit (same processor, memory, screen, nearly same OS).

Nokia, if you are going to charge $480 for this thing, the GPS software NEEDS TO BE 100% FREE/INCLUDED. Otherwise charge $350 for it, and then the extra $130 you need wont be such a slap in the pants.


Here is an example:

1. Buy N810 with Wayfinder GPS kit. $480 + $130 = $610 not including taxes

2. Buy a N800, and a Tom Tom Go 720. $230 + $400 = $630 no tax (ebay/buy.com)

3. Buy N800 + Navkit. $230 + $200 = $430.


I dont see how in gods name the N810 can justify that ammount. I chose the Tom Tom 720 because its amazing. 4.3" screen, bluetooth, uses cell data for traffic/construction updates, hands free for the cell phone. Nice piece of kit!

N810 needs to cost $350 if the full map software is $130.

Number 2 and 3 are not apples to apples when compared to number 1. You are using discounted n800 prices, not original pricing. If there was no n810, the n800 would cost more than 230$. Compare n800 original selling price of 399$

Thats what I paid for my n800.
 
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2007-10-20 , 21:44
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Originally Posted by JeffElkins View Post
Thanks for the feedback. The $43/year subscription really gives me pause. Looking at Amazon I see quite a range of GPS units that seem to be a one-time fee and offer voice/navigation features. Not being a GPS maven I have no idea how good they are, but both the sub-$200 Garmin and Tom-Tom units have good user reviews.

This is very disappointing. A one-time fee to fully utilize the GPS was bad enough, but a subscription service...oh my.

Jeff
Yeah, but they make you rebuy the maps entirely if you want to update them too. My brother bought a TomTom Go 300, and the maps on it didn't even have his street on it, they were 3 versions old, and they wanted him to pay to update it.
 
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2007-10-20 , 21:47
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Plus, (for me at least) at some point you have to ask yourself, "how many devices do I really need to carry around...."

I cannot wait for OS2008 and I will most definitely be purchasing the WayFinder navigation upgrade. This, of course - if the 7 day trial period goes without hitch.

=)
 
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