What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ? - Page 17 - maemo.org

sjgadsby | # 161 | 2008-05-06, 14:06 | Report

Originally Posted by luca View Post

Well, folks, it seems that diablo it's just a minor update...

Well, we've known for some time it's just a point release, so I've been anticipating more bug fixes and tweaks than major changes such as those that came with the first release of OS2008. That said, I have been hoping for some substantial improvements in MicroB.

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spartanNTX | # 162 | 2008-05-06, 14:06 | Report

Originally Posted by luca View Post

Well, folks, it seems that diablo it's just a minor update with nothing really substantial in it,
quoting from a message on the maemo-developers list

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp....mo.devel/15389

All I want is an improved n810 gps and web browsing experience. Anything additional is gravy.

Benson | # 163 | 2008-05-06, 14:26 | Report

Originally Posted by luca View Post

Well, folks, it seems that diablo it's just a minor update with nothing really substantial in it,
quoting from a message on the maemo-developers list

Right, just bug fixes for a whole lotta bugs which have been keeping some people from upgrading to Chinook. And a new (much better) email client, and a Gecko-based browser coming from upstream equivalent to an FF beta, instead of an early alpha.

We've known for some time
Why is fixing bugs less "substantial" than adding features?

Originally Posted by

from an earlier message it isn't even clear if the transition from diablo to the (eventual) successor will be possible via apt-get/application manager:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp....mo.devel/15374

It's not clear only in the sense that they're "working on" it, not already done and lounging around on the beach, so it might not get done if they all drop dead.

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Bundyo | # 164 | 2008-05-06, 14:31 | Report

Why not adding a whole bunch of new bug-ridden features? Mmm, i'll take the bug-free one, thanks a lot

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sjgadsby | # 165 | 2008-05-06, 14:35 | Report

Originally Posted by Benson View Post

...so it might not get done if they all drop dead.

Ah, bring that up with Quim Gil. He's already suggested blocking similar, though admittedly, less drastic, behaviour on the part of Nokia's maemo programmers. Perhaps he'll open a bug for "drop dead" also.

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luca | # 166 | 2008-05-06, 14:52 | Report

Originally Posted by Benson View Post

a Gecko-based browser coming from upstream equivalent to an FF beta, instead of an early alpha.

I won't comment on the better mail program (I use claws, I tried some modest betas and it disappointed me, however I cannot tell if it's any better than the old one since I never tried it), but I'm not sure the browser has been actually updated:

Originally Posted by

The only major changes are feature updates to the browser (not actually
a new browser, it's still based on the same old gecko as 2008), a new
mail client, and the ssl change to support WiMax.

I'll actually be working on browser release notes starting this week (it
takes a long time). I might actually try to grab the highlights for the
other apps if I manage to do the browser notes in fewer than 2 weeks.

** many applications probably haven't changed at all

I agree that fixing bugs is more important than adding features, however it's pretty difficult to fix bugs without changes to buggy applications, isn't it?

Benson | # 167 | 2008-05-06, 16:03 | Report

Most of the troublesome bugs aren't from applications anyway.

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mobiledivide | # 168 | 2008-05-06, 16:20 | Report

Agreed, all I really need is a better browsing experience, I reflashed to 0s2007 Opera the other day on my N800 and I had forgotten how quick the browsing was, granted the feature set wasn't there. Improved email, GPS acquisition, better (read quicker) browser and better bluetooth stack and IMHO N810 is pretty much ready for mainstream.

mwiktowy | # 169 | 2008-05-06, 17:16 | Report

Originally Posted by luca View Post

Well, folks, it seems that diablo it's just a minor update with nothing really substantial in it,
quoting from a message on the maemo-developers list

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp....mo.devel/15389

Have you considered that the "minor" update of allowing any package (including core packages and kernels) to be updated via apt-get or updated via the Application Manager at any time might fundamentally change how versions are released in the future?

We won't *have* to wait 6-12 months for a firmware that completely clobbers all the customizations that you've done. That kind of flexibility will allow each package to get updated separately as they need to be.

I don't like having to wait a long time for a ton of updates to come simultaneously. I hope Nokia runs with this concept and brings more frequent, smaller updates that will be less disruptive and easier to troubleshoot if problems do occur.

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luca | # 170 | 2008-05-06, 17:24 | Report

Originally Posted by mwiktowy View Post

Have you considered that the "minor" update of allowing any package (including core packages and kernels) to be updated via apt-get or updated via the Application Manager at any time might fundamentally change how versions are released in the future?

We won't *have* to wait 6-12 months for a firmware that completely clobbers all the customizations that you've done. That kind of flexibility will allow each package to get updated separately as they need to be.

I don't like having to wait a long time for a ton of updates to come simultaneously. I hope Nokia runs with this concept and brings more frequent, smaller updates that will be less disruptive and easier to troubleshoot if problems do occur.

That's pretty much what I've been waiting for, to the point of being reprimanded here for asking it too many times (actually two), but it seems we won't get that with diablo. No new browser engine, no apt-get upgradeability.

I'd be delighted to be proved wrong though.