For all those who cant get the full screen keyboard on finger touch..... here is a secret:

The thing is that you need to make a fast movement with your finger onto the screen. Just like a wood pecker pecks at wood.
If you do that there is every chance that the full screen keyboard will pop out. It is not with how much pressure you can press the screen .... that will never work.

Just test it for yourself. Peck at the google search bar on the desktop and see the result. If you dont get it the first time.... try agiain.

It's just a web cam, not a 'taking pictures' cam, unfortunately.

(sigh) I'm back on the fence again . Not just because of the camera, but if the screen keyboard is really ok for most people, and the fact that if I get a bluetooth keyboard & GPS they can be used with any other bluetooth devices, not just with the NIT. And if the screen isn't really that much better, then the N800 would be much better for me. As well, if & when I upgrade to a newer NIT model, what happens if some new future models go back to no keyboard and/or GPS? Then I'd still be able to use them.

In the mean time I'd get a FM tuner, 2 full-sized SD card slots & a camera that can be used for something more than showing of what I don't really want to show off anyway (my ugly mug, that is ).

Yes it does sound like I'm ranting just to convince myself, and I am. And if I do decide to get the N800, then I can order it NOW!! No more waiting!! YIPPEE!!

Oh the pain of it all . And to think I sold my 4bg sd card because I didn't think I'd be able to use it anymore .

Glad I could add to the pain! I don't think you'll be sad if you wait... or get the N800 (at $180 like it has been sometimes)

The wimax version (if it really is that) will overcome a whole bunch of what I've been disappointed about, but that I didn't complain about. Full time connectivity will make the ITT a toy in my pocket *full time*, still not what I hoped when I first jumped on board (a PDA/internet-in-your-pocket/connect to my communications). But it will be many of the things I wanted, and it is really much more enticing to install 3rd party apps that may hose your system when you *might* get the whole kit and kaboodle. Plus, it makes it more worthwhile to routinely back up your whole system, so worrying about installing a new and unproved app becomes a lower hurdle.
Did I just let the cat out of the bag, I don't back up as much as I should? Truly my fault, but it is another set of hoops to jump through, and for a toy, I haven't jumped that high yet.
I hope you get what you want, and it sounds like you are smart enough to wait for that. For me the whole platform is sooo seductive. I had to really exert self control not to get the 770. For the N800 and N810, I just had to bite. I'm happy to hear that there are tech buyers out there that control their salivation more than I.
(Now if I can only learn from you...)

I am not sure if this is helping or not - but I have used both the N800 and the N810 and I think the keyboard is a BIG plus. 200USD worth? not sure. Sure, you can carry around a BT keyboard - but do you want to? It detracts a whole lot of the convenience. And the N810 IS noticeably smaller and more pocketable. No problem slipping it into my back pocket.

However, the main reason why I like the keyboard is that it doesn't take up screen real estate. Xterm with Thumbboard? Pretty useless... try using any kind of ncurses app. The mini-keyboard gives you better interactivity but you still lose about half the screen. Also, with the hardware keyboard, keyboard shortcuts become reality. CTRL+L => new location in microB. CTRL+W => close window. CTRL+D => bookmark. CTRL+C, copy etc... Not all programs take advantage, but those that do, benefit immensely. Sure, for typing an eMail the thumbboard might work, but most of the time it's just so much easier to just slide out the keyboard to punch a letter or two on the keyboard than to switch screens to the on-screen-keyboards. It just saves so much screen real estate to use the hardware keys.

Also, I find that after a few days, I could type decently with the hardware keyboard. Sure, the top row is a slight bit harder to type on every once in a while, but it's not half as bad as some people make it out to be. Also, if you want to type a "3", just hit "Fn" once with the left hand and then the 3 - the "Fn" sticks for one keypress if you just hit it. You don't HAVE to hold it!

Martin

Well, for better or worse, til death do us part , I've made the decision & just cemented a deal deal with pthomson for a N800.

I decided to go with the toys (FM tuner, card slots, camera) instead of the keyboard. I guess it all comes down to the fun . So in a week I'll finally be a tablet-carrying part of this NIT community.

Thanks for all the help, guys & gals.

If that was the deciding factor, then I would go N810. I am not sure why some say there's no real difference. I have both devices and when I am outdoors, the difference is dramatic. The N810's screen is better.

No, that's not the only deciding factor, just one of many. Since I've opted for the N800 I'll have to live with it, albeit indoors I guess .

I haven't seen an N810, but a transflective screen usually needs to actually reflect the sunlight. If you just move the two devices into a bright area the readability should diminish almost equally on both. My T3, for example, is only readable outdoors if I angle it so that the sun reflects from it. (In other words, a transflective screen buys you very little on a cloudy, bright day.)

Why does everyone ignore the FM transmitter in the n810. and the 2gb + microsdhc vs 256 mb + 2 sdhc.

And about the thumboard on the n810, wouldn't you just need to know what command or event brings up the thumboard and just manually trigger it? (We don't need Nokia to do all of this for us...)

BTW android on the n810 looks shiny.