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2008-07-02
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#51
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Originally Posted by Master of Gizmo
Er, political rules? :\
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2008-07-02
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Are you kidding? 
I don't know why a finger-driven UI is a must requirement, but, I still can't believe no one has mentioned the different GUIs and window managers that have been ported and ported well to Maemo. KDE 3, XFCE, Open Box, etc... have been ported?
I think these are huge community projects and should been mentioned as such.
I don't know why a finger-driven UI is a must requirement, but, I still can't believe no one has mentioned the different GUIs and window managers that have been ported and ported well to Maemo. KDE 3, XFCE, Open Box, etc... have been ported?
I think these are huge community projects and should been mentioned as such.
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2008-07-02
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#53
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Originally Posted by Master of Gizmo
Sorry, just few people know them in this big big world.
It puts focus on the usual suspects we all already know.
These applications are usual suspects for a % of people buying a Nokia Internet Tablet, which is not a very big % of the people that actually do install and use third party software in their PC / laptop / mobile device.
Do your friends and relatives know about "Canola", "Maemo Mapper", Numpty Physics"...? Do the people interested in mobile software development or linux development know them?
Maemo will keep growing and more awareness will be generated around this platform. It is the interest of the platform to promote their best applications and it is the interest of these applications to be promoted near the platform.
This page isn't my enemy. But it's also not my friend. I don't see any benefit a project has from being listed there. The page focusses on the fact that there are projects complying to certain political rules and others that don't.
What do you mean by "political" and what looks political to you there? The intend is to list criteria to enforce certain quality and user experience level.
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2008-07-02
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#54
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Originally Posted by Master of Gizmo
This was discussed until exhaustion at [RESTARTED] Internet Tablet Talk Software Section.
But that's by itself rather boring as users typically don't care about the repositories they download software from. This is especially true since maemo has mechanisms to make installations from other repositories rather simple.
Users don't care about repositories but they care about error messages when trying to install applications, slow performance, drained up batteries, system crashes, alpha quality apps available in their Application Manager and etc.
Multiple repositories without build quality assurance, static links to libraries, binary-only packages of open source components and similar practices are in theory not bad per se and might work well for a single application in a single go. Add more applications and update them over time in a system and the differences of risks for the user are clear.
Again, it is not a coincidence that the best open source distributions are build around central repostories with certain quality criteria to differentiate what is integrated and stable from all the rest. Or do you also see "politics" behind the principles and processes of e.g. Debian or Ubuntu?
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2008-07-02
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(qgil / maemo / nokia) I for one applaud your efforts to bring some sort of orginization to the chaos. I know however I seem to sometimes be the cause of such chaos.
I guess the reason I have hesitated to put things like KDE or other ports in, is its just me hacking. I love the fact that many people love KDE. I would love it even more if SOME DEVELOPERS decided to take on this project. (or any NON-MATCHBOX Window Manager environment) I am not a developer, I am a hack at best
It would take me a long time to put all the 100+ applications into individual debs and create all the dependency links and source debs and my head just hurts thinking about it.
There are apps that can be made for primetime that are currently not available in repos. I just dont think my works are one of them. I think my stuff is great "proof of concept" but it needs real developers to be ready for repos.
The tablet community is ready for an alternate window manager supported by maemo team. This would spur on much more developemnt in my opinion.
Anyway, thanks again Quim, This past year has been much better with Noika/Maemo team taking a more active role in community developement. Thanks for all your efforts
I guess the reason I have hesitated to put things like KDE or other ports in, is its just me hacking. I love the fact that many people love KDE. I would love it even more if SOME DEVELOPERS decided to take on this project. (or any NON-MATCHBOX Window Manager environment) I am not a developer, I am a hack at best
It would take me a long time to put all the 100+ applications into individual debs and create all the dependency links and source debs and my head just hurts thinking about it.
There are apps that can be made for primetime that are currently not available in repos. I just dont think my works are one of them. I think my stuff is great "proof of concept" but it needs real developers to be ready for repos.
The tablet community is ready for an alternate window manager supported by maemo team. This would spur on much more developemnt in my opinion.
Anyway, thanks again Quim, This past year has been much better with Noika/Maemo team taking a more active role in community developement. Thanks for all your efforts
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
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2008-07-02
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#56
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Originally Posted by qgil
It took me hours to figure out that the gtkhtml2 and hildon-help lib in maemo extras are exclusive and an application using both will crash once it's trying to use the help system ... This is in todays extras repo.
Users don't care about repositories but they care about error messages when trying to install applications, slow performance, drained up batteries, system crashes, alpha quality apps available in their Application Manager and etc.
Originally Posted by qgil
I never complained about maemo extras. I complained about the wiki page and the way it's differentiating between good software in the extras repo and bad software in other repose which needs to be moved to extras to "meet certain criteria".
Again, it is not a coincidence that the best open source distributions are build around central repostories with certain quality criteria to differentiate what is integrated and stable from all the rest. Or do you also see "politics" behind the principles and processes of e.g. Debian or Ubuntu?
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2008-07-02
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#57
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Originally Posted by Master of Gizmo
Just for informational purposes, there's discussion of the issue in bug #3245.
It took me hours to figure out that the gtkhtml2 and hildon-help lib in maemo extras are exclusive and an application using both will crash once it's trying to use the help system ... This is in todays extras repo.
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2008-07-02
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#58
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Help me to help you .. to help me.... o help me
I applaud nokia/maemo team for bridging linux power with user friendly, but there's little visible support on this forum to support such endeavors. So this is triage (which is ok)... if it veers into guilt/encouragement maemo team should invest effort in a forum since this is really for their benefit.
How can i help you to help me to help you?
Diablo seems great btw.. loving browser speed and wifi stability so far... excellent continuation to all my ITs... my old n800s have never run so good compared with their OOB os. It really is impressive what it can do with its OS footprint.
I applaud nokia/maemo team for bridging linux power with user friendly, but there's little visible support on this forum to support such endeavors. So this is triage (which is ok)... if it veers into guilt/encouragement maemo team should invest effort in a forum since this is really for their benefit.
How can i help you to help me to help you?
Diablo seems great btw.. loving browser speed and wifi stability so far... excellent continuation to all my ITs... my old n800s have never run so good compared with their OOB os. It really is impressive what it can do with its OS footprint.