I don't know the terminology my bad. I just want to have it all in one easy to use setup. I only want to boot in once at startup and then go from my custom menu into different apps from different environments. IceWM is about as far as I want to go as far as window manager and only because I can switch back to Hildon easily. PB KDE is too far in that I'm out of Hildon. That is why I'm keen on putting KDE on Easy Debian. I want to add KDE v4 because I have v3 already. Now if I'm understanding you correctly KDEv4 will be completely separate from Easy Debian. Same goes for your Deblet. I want to install your Deblet last to it test out Debian apps. It seems like it has a more natural environment(like PB KDE) in that Hildon is not really using a lot of power to keep to environments going at same time. Also your Deblet has unlimited growth potential if understanding you. I hope this better explains what I'm after in the long run.

you're still confused... there is nothing loading deblet is going to give you that easy debian wont provide unless you plan to boot into debian. Debian is debian.

KDE4 is still a window manager just like KDE3 By different I meant it looks and feels completely different ... but it still isn't "ouside" of anything.

with easy debian you only have 2 environments.. Maemo, and Debian.

Everything is going to run inside either debian or maemo..

So you can run gnome and kde on the same debian at the same time. However you won't be able to run kde3 and kde4 at the same time on the same debian because they have packages that conflict with eachother because one is an upgrade to the other.

You can make ANY window manager show up and run just as flawlessly as what you are caling "Easy Debian"; which is actually just icewm... all you have to do is modify the scripts to launch the different window manager and it'll run it just as seamless as your current setup.

There is no reason to load Deblet unless you plan to boot to it.

So in keeping with what your saying I can eventually have the following setup. MMC2 with Dual boot with partitions for PB KDE, Deblet and KDEv4. MMC1 Easy Debian with Gnome, IceWM and your KDEv3. Is this correct. I just want to map it out before I begin. TIA

yes except that PB KDE still requires maemo... so you'll need to clone diablo or chinook to whatever partition you are going to use for PB KDE.

By "Deblet and KDE4" i assume you mean Deblet WITH KDEv4 ..

Then yes.. 3 partition on MMC1; 1 swap, 1 Diablo with PB KDE; 1 Deblet with KDE4

All MMC2 with Easy Debian on it.

In all honesty though.. I wouldn't do that. If you want to boot to debian - just use deblet.. don't use 'easy debian'. You can setup qole's sripts to use Deblet to integrate into the Maemo environment.. So you would have

MMC1 with Swap and Diablo with PB KDE
MMC2 with Deblet and Gnome, Icewm, and KDE4.

There really is no point for a whole debian just for a KDE since PB KDE gives you KDE3 in Maemo... that also allows you more room for both maemo and debian for apps and anything you do while booted into debian will carry over to your maemo debian (since they are the same debian)..

did that make sense?

MMC1 with Swap and Diablo with PB KDE
MMC2 with Deblet and Gnome, Icewm, and KDE4.
I need to reverse the MMC's because I need to be able to easily remove, copy and rebuild the Debian side. The Diablo side is stable and can stay put in MMC2. MMC1 I'm use for Camera and so forth and then putting it back in when I want to transfer stuff. I've been doing this for a year and it works great. I have one of those N800 that the back battery plate never sits right and if you remove it the card does not mount properly. Whenever I do a dual boot I need to remove the plate during the process. That's one of the reasons I put Easy Debian in MMC1.
OK so now I need to use Qole's scripts to install Deblet. What thread has Qole's script for installing Deblet and running it like Easy Debian? Then I will need to load KDEv4 and last Gnome. Does that sound right to you? TIA

Qole's script don't install deblet.

You need to install deblet via the installation instructions at Deblet's website.. linked in my Sig, in the OP, and in numerous threads in Debian . The only thing I recommend is after you SVN the installer (as per the website), alter config.py and change nit-env-stskeeps to just nit-env-x .. that way you will install your own window managers since you don't need XFCE.

Before installing deblet, you need to copy the "Easy Debian" /usr/bin/xpice script .. save it into maemo somewhere before you do anything to the "easy debian" side. (from maemo: cp /debian/usr/bin/xpice /home/user). After deblet is installed you will copy that script to /usr/bin in Deblet so that the Launch icons and stuff will still launch Icewm. (cp /home/user/xpice /mnt/deblet/usr/bin).

Once you have Deblet installed you you need to do 3 things:
1)ALTER /home/user/.chroot in maemo and set the variables to the right parameters (the partition you installed deblet too, and the username). Then qole's scripts will mount Deblet instead of the Img file and will launch things from Deblet.

2)You also need to manually install Xephyr, wmctrl, icewm in Deblet... (simple, just apt-get install Xephyr wmctrl icewm). Make sure you are using the latest scripts by Qole in his thread.. he made them "Deblet safe" by not killing the passwd files.. which comes up now

3) Edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group in Deblet.. find the line for user:1000:1000 and change the 1000 to 29999 (both of them).. save both files.. and chown -R user /home/user (if you didn't use the username "user" during the installation of Deblet, replace for your username in these.)

It sounds like a lot when you list it.. but it's really quite simple.. I can help you through PM's if you need.

Thanks.
I'll try to start on Monday when I have some free time. It will also give me time to read through Deblet site and Qoles thread. This is exciting. TIA

Ok updated the OP....now that my repository is online I went ahead and put the kde4 crap up there... installing kde4 is now easier than installing kde3 thanks to the kde4-minimal package by the debian guys.

If you wanna play with it be my guest just dont complain if it runs too slow for youj :P

I just installed KDE 4.1 to my easy debian chroot, and i need to say thai i like it.

Of course it is not so fast as IceWM, Window Maker, or even Gnome, But in chroot it is faster than in deblet.

It takes less than 90 seconds to start with chroot and xephyr.

Fatalsaint said in first post that in deblet, it tooks 3-5 minutes to start Dolphin.
In chroot is starts in 50 seconds.

It is still too slow for unpatient people, but its so cool!

Hi:
I followed the instructions at the deblet website. However, when I ran cfdisk, in the advanced, I got a "fatal error," had to reboot and the deblet didn't install. Could you help me, please?
Thanks