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2008-10-05
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Originally Posted by Aisu
What state are in you in? the Libertarian party is on 45 ballots, Constitutional is on 37, Green is on 32 and Nader is on 46.
I haveTheir names won't be on my state's ballot.
Again... I wouldn't vote Palin, even if I could. Just talking out my ***..
Im either going to vote Libertarian or Constitutional.
Im sick of the two parties and their big spending, and their pointless wars, and their intrusion into the market and my life. I just want to live my life and deal with my fellow man without government involvement.
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2008-10-05
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Originally Posted by ch8xy
I don't understand the motivation behind that post.
To all you guys who think you are doing us common folks a favor by touting analysis, calculation, voting with country, future, blah blah blah in mind: save your breath! You are overestimating yourselves. Think about it: there is nothing wrong for, let's say, a 70 year old with no education who just wants someone he can trust to look after his interest. And guess what: his one vote counts as much as yours, even if you have a Ph.D. Everybody gets to vote any way he likes. Both sides have Ph.D.s, lawyers, doctors, experts, etc. Do'nt tell me your side is better than mine. The way I see it, there is not much difference between politics and spectator sport.
Maybe I need more education...
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2008-10-05
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@ Michigan, USA
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Originally Posted by ch8xy
Well if you do not follow politics closely why do you get so upset about others statements? Look you don't have to follow politics closely in my opinion. Are you better off now than 8 years ago? I know my family certainly is not. Regardless of how I or anyone else feels. Sit down and think about what issues you care about and see who is addressing your issues. Go to each of their websites and research before you vote. Check places like http://www.dividedwefail.org
May I repeat gain: do whatever you want! Frankly speaking, I skipped the two long-winding comments above. I am not a fanatic in politics, and also have other hobbies beside work, so no need to waste time on reading political comments. If this is your favorite passtime: good for you. Simply put, I may not be able to argue with you (since I don't follow politics religously), there is always somebody equally fanatic on your opposite side who can shout you down. That's why I said that this is all spectator sport to me. Don't overestimate yourself into thinking that you are right and the other half of the population is wrong.
If its McCain? In my opinion, then you are either rich or confused.
But hey feel free to cast your vote how you like. All I know is no matter what. Bush and Cheney will be gone shortly, Oh Happy Day!
McCain honestly is not that scary to me, compared to Bush, Palin however scares the **** out of me.
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2008-10-05
, 15:24
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@ Agoura Hills Calif
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"If the belief that main street needed a bailout due to a credit crunch then why not have the govt. take over WAMU and Wachovia and turn them into "the peoples banks" and extend proper credit through them until the "crisis" is over."
I don't understand all the ramifications of the bailout, and I doubt that anyone fully does. However, the people who agreed say that there is a decent chance Americans will get their money back, or most of it. There have been instances in which bailouts have netted a profit for the government.
The problem is that the government gave us almost no notice that this sort of sudden need for hundreds of billions of dollars was a potential problem, so there was no time for a full debate and analysis of how to solve the problem. Time was said to be of the essence, and I think that's true. So, one can propose lots of alternate solutions, but who is confident that there aren't hidden flaws in their ideas? I am not.
Unfortunately, I think that what has already happened is that the US is being dethroned from the center of the world's economy because we aren't as reliable as the world thought we were. This is going to impose a permanent new cost on the US.
A Mark Twain quip is, "put all your eggs in one basket and WATCH THAT BASKET!" Unfortunately, I think that the Bush administration forgot the part about watching the basket.
Have I said yet that I think that Obama will be forced to spend almost all of his first term digging out from disasters created by the current President? Bush will get a third term after all, no matter who wins.
I don't understand all the ramifications of the bailout, and I doubt that anyone fully does. However, the people who agreed say that there is a decent chance Americans will get their money back, or most of it. There have been instances in which bailouts have netted a profit for the government.
The problem is that the government gave us almost no notice that this sort of sudden need for hundreds of billions of dollars was a potential problem, so there was no time for a full debate and analysis of how to solve the problem. Time was said to be of the essence, and I think that's true. So, one can propose lots of alternate solutions, but who is confident that there aren't hidden flaws in their ideas? I am not.
Unfortunately, I think that what has already happened is that the US is being dethroned from the center of the world's economy because we aren't as reliable as the world thought we were. This is going to impose a permanent new cost on the US.
A Mark Twain quip is, "put all your eggs in one basket and WATCH THAT BASKET!" Unfortunately, I think that the Bush administration forgot the part about watching the basket.
Have I said yet that I think that Obama will be forced to spend almost all of his first term digging out from disasters created by the current President? Bush will get a third term after all, no matter who wins.
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2008-10-05
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Originally Posted by geneven
Unfortunately in my readings on the RTC and Chrysler bailouts they did not calculate in the extra cost to the government (personnel, overhead, etc.) of running the programs.
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I don't understand all the ramifications of the bailout, and I doubt that anyone fully does. However, the people who agreed say that there is a decent chance Americans will get their money back, or most of it. There have been instances in which bailouts have netted a profit for the government.<snip>.
Heck, even Ford would probably be making a profit if the government paid ALL the overhead costs of running Ford.
Admittedly the govt. people don't get paid much.
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2008-10-05
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well the reason there wasn't time for a "full debate" is because all those regulations that would have been used to red flag these things were dismantled by congress. Furthermore there were many people who knew that problems were coming. Nobody in power gave a shat. I knew it in 2003 and I'm not even an econ expert.
ANybody here been reading Counterpunch? That stuff has been discussed there for years.
Fact is Congress was asleep at the wheel. The media as well as both dominant parties did the best they could to vilify and marginalize anyone who questioned what was going on.
There's no time to debate because this is a hold up. The American Taxpayer is being held up in a huge wealth transfer from the taxpayer to business in history. If they gave congress time or even gave them a heads up a year ago (which IMHO any competent congressperson ought to have seen this coming) then no way would this bailout even have happened.
ANybody here been reading Counterpunch? That stuff has been discussed there for years.
Fact is Congress was asleep at the wheel. The media as well as both dominant parties did the best they could to vilify and marginalize anyone who questioned what was going on.
There's no time to debate because this is a hold up. The American Taxpayer is being held up in a huge wealth transfer from the taxpayer to business in history. If they gave congress time or even gave them a heads up a year ago (which IMHO any competent congressperson ought to have seen this coming) then no way would this bailout even have happened.
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2008-10-05
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Originally Posted by sondjata
I frequent one of Counterpunch's media links: Common Dreams.
ANybody here been reading Counterpunch?
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2008-10-05
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#89
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Money has to be printed to "fund" the baillout. Our treasury is already overtaxed (pun unintended). I'll bet this serves to drive the dollar value lower.
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2008-10-06
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One can talk about "knowing" that this problem was coming, as I can, because I saw the Economist cover from several years ago called "The Coming Real Estate Bust", showing a baloon floating perilously close to a pin. (And I read the accompanying article, too!)
So, those of you who knew this was coming, how much did you make on this crash? You probably bought a lot of gold stocks, right? And got completely out of real estate?
How did you profit from your knowledge?
So, those of you who knew this was coming, how much did you make on this crash? You probably bought a lot of gold stocks, right? And got completely out of real estate?
How did you profit from your knowledge?
Many of us do care and and one of my reasons for participation is to improve my talking points with those I work with who have for too long been blind followers of the likes of Nixon and GW(MD) Bush.
Less than a month remains in the present election cycle. The lies and allegations which are not quickly disputed are coming out of the woodwork. Both sides will come up with stories that should questioned.
Perhaps a week before the elections we will be told that Obama is part of a Muslim terrorist cell and they will have proof in a month. Or that McCain will nuke North Korea. Oh, sorry - not enough time to check the allegations.
If enough people like me could have persuaded others to vote for Gore we might not be in the mess we are now. But, as I've mentioned before, many of my coworkers thought this dumb concept of "Global Warming" was absolutely wrong and wouldn't happen here.
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