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2008-12-23
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Originally Posted by Voltron
Seriously, don't worry about the fear of ATT and tethering. I tether both my N810 and my laptop when needed and my usage would never raise a flag. My normal data usage is only a couple hundred megabytes even with the occasional tethering. This has been discussed to death on Howard Forums as well, $15 MediaNet plan and tether away. You really have nothing to worry about.
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2008-12-23
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With T-mobile, you can use either the $7.99/mo Tzones/Tmobileweb (and a proxy server), or the $19.99 full internet package (direct connection), with any voice plan.
When last I priced it, AT&T wasn't any cheaper by the time one counts an equivalent voice plan, but that may no longer be true, and depends on what other options, of course.
Also, you never know when AT&T will change their monitoring; while it's not very dangerous, there is some risk. Unless you can actually get it significantly cheaper, I see no point taking that risk.
When last I priced it, AT&T wasn't any cheaper by the time one counts an equivalent voice plan, but that may no longer be true, and depends on what other options, of course.
Also, you never know when AT&T will change their monitoring; while it's not very dangerous, there is some risk. Unless you can actually get it significantly cheaper, I see no point taking that risk.
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2008-12-23
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Originally Posted by Benson
Doesn't T-Mobile's contract specifically say that you can tether with the $20 plan? If not, then the "risk" is the same. The "fear" you're spreading is unwarranted. You can tether without issue on ATT's MediaNet plan as many are doing right now. The N810 doesn't consume that much data that ATT is suddenly going to put your account under a magnifying glass to see what you're doing.
Also, you never know when AT&T will change their monitoring; while it's not very dangerous, there is some risk. Unless you can actually get it significantly cheaper, I see no point taking that risk.
Also, given the broader coverage of HSDPA on ATT's network I'll take that choice before looking at T-mobile's HSDPA coverage which is very limited and has support from 1 device? Yes, speed of the networks matters as well.
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2008-12-23
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I have T-Mobile and use their Sony Ericsson TM506 to tether my tablet.
My 3G experience with T-Mobile has been unimpressive.
First, I'm not happy that they advertise phones as being "3G Phones" but those phones do not have HSDPA so they just putter along at EDGE speeds. An example of this is the Nokia 6263. T-Mobile lists it as a 3G phone, but it doesn't have HSDPA so you're stuck with EDGE. I have one of these and it took a week of talking to customer support and store salespeople before I figured this out. Looking at T-Mobile's website, there are only 3 options for 3G/HSDPA phones. The SE TM506, T-Mobile G1, and Samsung Behold.
Second, 3G coverage doesn't seem to be that great. In Central New Jersey with my TM506, I very rarely get a 3G data connection. Perhaps the 3G network is stronger in the cities (Philadelphia, New York) but here in the suburbs, it seems pretty spotty.
I've found that since I got the TM506, I tether my phone less rather than more. Since I'm able to use the Java-based GMail application my TM506, it actually seems faster to simply use that to check email than it is to try and tether with the N810 and wait for things to load (including the frustration of realizing that I'm stuck on some slow, non-3G connection again)
I've actually been contemplating leaving T-Mobile for at&t. I've been hoping that Nokia and other phone manufacturers would start making North American releases of their phones that support 3G for both T-Mobile and at&t, but sadly, since T-Mobile is the only one GSM carrier using the 1700Mhz band, it looks like that's not happening.
My 3G experience with T-Mobile has been unimpressive.
First, I'm not happy that they advertise phones as being "3G Phones" but those phones do not have HSDPA so they just putter along at EDGE speeds. An example of this is the Nokia 6263. T-Mobile lists it as a 3G phone, but it doesn't have HSDPA so you're stuck with EDGE. I have one of these and it took a week of talking to customer support and store salespeople before I figured this out. Looking at T-Mobile's website, there are only 3 options for 3G/HSDPA phones. The SE TM506, T-Mobile G1, and Samsung Behold.
Second, 3G coverage doesn't seem to be that great. In Central New Jersey with my TM506, I very rarely get a 3G data connection. Perhaps the 3G network is stronger in the cities (Philadelphia, New York) but here in the suburbs, it seems pretty spotty.
I've found that since I got the TM506, I tether my phone less rather than more. Since I'm able to use the Java-based GMail application my TM506, it actually seems faster to simply use that to check email than it is to try and tether with the N810 and wait for things to load (including the frustration of realizing that I'm stuck on some slow, non-3G connection again)
I've actually been contemplating leaving T-Mobile for at&t. I've been hoping that Nokia and other phone manufacturers would start making North American releases of their phones that support 3G for both T-Mobile and at&t, but sadly, since T-Mobile is the only one GSM carrier using the 1700Mhz band, it looks like that's not happening.
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2008-12-23
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Originally Posted by Gorgon
For my part, I have been tethering to my AT&T phone for over a year. Since getting a "true" 3G (the Nokia 6555 I had previously was UMTS) I often use my N800 tethered to my LG Shine to stream Last.fm. I don't think I've ever hit over 2 Gb in any month.
Doesn't T-Mobile's contract specifically say that you can tether with the $20 plan? If not, then the "risk" is the same. The "fear" you're spreading is unwarranted. You can tether without issue on ATT's MediaNet plan as many are doing right now. The N810 doesn't consume that much data that ATT is suddenly going to put your account under a magnifying glass to see what you're doing.
Also, given the broader coverage of HSDPA on ATT's network I'll take that choice before looking at T-mobile's HSDPA coverage which is very limited and has support from 1 device? Yes, speed of the networks matters as well.
I did feel obligated to the OP to point out the violation "in spirit" of the TOS. Not trying to stir up fear. I truly don't believe AT&T has a leg to stand on, now that the 3G iPhone is out. I don't see any difference between a 3G iPhone with unlimited MediaNET and my N800 tethered to a 3G phone with unlimited MediaNET. None.
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N800|2x 16GB SDHC|PDAir case|i737 BT GPS
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2008-12-23
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Originally Posted by kedoin
Not EDGE, but UMTS. (Technically, even EDGE is 3g, but all rational classification schemes consider it 2.75g.) UMTS maxes out at about 2x EDGE, and (IIUC) also has substantially reduced latency. Still disappointing, if you expected HSDPA.
I have T-Mobile and use their Sony Ericsson TM506 to tether my tablet.
My 3G experience with T-Mobile has been unimpressive.
First, I'm not happy that they advertise phones as being "3G Phones" but those phones do not have HSDPA so they just putter along at EDGE speeds.
An example of this is the Nokia 6263. T-Mobile lists it as a 3G phone, but it doesn't have HSDPA so you're stuck with EDGE. I have one of these and it took a week of talking to customer support and store salespeople before I figured this out. Looking at T-Mobile's website, there are only 3 options for 3G/HSDPA phones. The SE TM506, T-Mobile G1, and Samsung Behold.
I haven't monitored my actual data usage, but some rough calculations indicate I could easily use several GB/month in some plausible scenarios, which might risk detection as tethering; if all you do is check email, the risk is negligible;
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2008-12-23
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Originally Posted by deeteroderdas
Only the first gen iPhone was able to use the MediaNet plan. The 3G iPhone is locked to a PDA plan now. But I agree in general with your statement. Any of the smartphones that Nokia sells are able to be used by the $15 medianet plan and I can browse full versions of web sites, get push email, download podcasts, stream radio, GPS map streaming via Google Maps, VOIP, IM, etc. Anything I can do on my computer I can do on my phone. I also, see no difference between my tethered N810 and what my E71 or N95 can do out of the box.
I did feel obligated to the OP to point out the violation "in spirit" of the TOS. Not trying to stir up fear. I truly don't believe AT&T has a leg to stand on, now that the 3G iPhone is out. I don't see any difference between a 3G iPhone with unlimited MediaNET and my N800 tethered to a 3G phone with unlimited MediaNET. None.
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2008-12-23
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Originally Posted by Gorgon
Thanks for the correction about the 3G iPhone.
Only the first gen iPhone was able to use the MediaNet plan. The 3G iPhone is locked to a PDA plan now. But I agree in general with your statement. Any of the smartphones that Nokia sells are able to be used by the $15 medianet plan and I can browse full versions of web sites, get push email, download podcasts, stream radio, GPS map streaming via Google Maps, VOIP, IM, etc. Anything I can do on my computer I can do on my phone. I also, see no difference between my tethered N810 and what my E71 or N95 can do out of the box.
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Mitch Thompson, Helotes, TX USA
N800|2x 16GB SDHC|PDAir case|i737 BT GPS
"There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. " - Jeremy S. Anderson
N800|2x 16GB SDHC|PDAir case|i737 BT GPS
"There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. " - Jeremy S. Anderson
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2008-12-23
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Hey since some of us are talking about tethering the N8x0 and TM-506 using T-mobile maybe you could help me. On the N810 under connections, mine is configured as:
GPRS -> internet2.voicestream.com with dial-up number of *99***4#.
I've tried using *99***1# but if always fails, but using a 4 or 5 works fine. Am I doing this right? I find that I can't browse certain sites such as www.woot.com or www.msn.com (hey, I don't visit msn, it's just a test). What am I doing wrong that I can't visit these places and others?
2nd question is what do you have configured under the "Advanced" section? Specifically, are you using a proxy, are you auto-retrieving the DNS, and are you using "PPP Compression"?
Thanks in advance.
GPRS -> internet2.voicestream.com with dial-up number of *99***4#.
I've tried using *99***1# but if always fails, but using a 4 or 5 works fine. Am I doing this right? I find that I can't browse certain sites such as www.woot.com or www.msn.com (hey, I don't visit msn, it's just a test). What am I doing wrong that I can't visit these places and others?
2nd question is what do you have configured under the "Advanced" section? Specifically, are you using a proxy, are you auto-retrieving the DNS, and are you using "PPP Compression"?
Thanks in advance.
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2009-01-03
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Originally Posted by Munk
Try using Data call->*99#. This works on my TM506 with the 4.99 Tzones plan. Plus you shouldn't have to mess around with the advanced settings.
GPRS -> internet2.voicestream.com with dial-up number of *99***4#.
And no it won't use your minutes.
