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2009-02-10
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Originally Posted by gremplar
heh, letter of the license vs spirit of the license?
Yes, an Android device... but an *Archos* Android device. I would be shocked if they didn't lock it down just as tight as all of their other *Linux* based devices...
Remember, Archos released the 'full source code' to the 604 series, but there was no way to install it on the device, as they had an encrypted bootloader that would refuse to load unsigned packages. And wow, they conveniently forgot to release a tool to sign packages that others created.
There were also a number of proprietary drivers that were not included, so basically the release of the code was a complete and total sham.
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2009-02-10
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gpl2 is about free software, not free hardware. so you cannot use published sources in archos device, but you can use their changes (if useful) elsewhere.
gpl3 (afaik) (tries to) solve problem with tivoization.
gpl3 (afaik) (tries to) solve problem with tivoization.
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2009-02-10
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Well, anyway that Archos device looks useful if your interest is mainly in watching videos. For those of us with no or very little interest in that it doesn't look particularly useful. So, in the end, it all depends. My use case an internet tablet is totally different, but that doesn't mean it's the _only_ use case out there.
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2009-02-10
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Originally Posted by sachin007
I had an Archos once, and since I ditched it if favor of an N810, Archos fanboys hate me with a passion
If this comes out before the n900.... end of story for Nokia.
It's all great on paper, the hardware is decent, but Archos devices (except for *maybe* the ill-fated PMA430) have a different target audience. They do *NOT* support any tinkering (either SW or HW) and want to keep you as far from the device as they can. They want to compete with the iPod Touch, the N810 is mostly irrelevant to them.The initial hardware cost is usually tempting, their business model is to get the money on codecs and overpriced addons (if you think Nokia things are overpriced, check again - in the previous generation, you even had to pay Archos extra for a proper web browser (!!!)). A current generation Archos 5 with 250GB disk costs just a tad under 500 euros (+100-150 in addons and codecs to make it really work as advertised). I don't expect the announced one to cost less either, so with an RX51 with at 'normal' price (=N810 at release) Nokia is pretty OK. Especially if gets hacked enough to actually run Android in a usable fashion
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2009-02-10
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#46
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
That would be peak consumption, right? Assuming they were made with the same manufacturing process I would expect both chips to eat about the same when idling or operating at any frequency up to 600MHz.
Nah, the OMAP3440 is 800MHz, while the OMAP3430 is 600MHz [...] The consumption jump between the OMAP3430 and the OMAP3440 is . . . non-trivial
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
That would be peak voltage again AIUI. We've had dynamic voltage scaling for a while (since Chinook?), and understandably higher clock frequencies may require higher voltage for stability.
Problem is, the core voltage was jacked way up (I want to say 1.2v vs 1.6v).
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2009-02-10
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#47
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This is just me as a consumer, but 5" is a really tricky size. A 5" screen phone is huge - a phone should fit to my pocket, likewise a mp3 player, and then again a 5" video player is quite small for video. I don't find so many cases of travelling and wanting to watch something from a 5" screen. I have my 15" laptop anyway for those cases, much better for movies.
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2009-02-10
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#48
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Originally Posted by ragnar
Yes, 5" is too big for a phone. But a 5" screen still fits in a jacket pocket and is fine for use as an adjunct for a phone when travelling without a laptop. I would use it for browsing of all kinds, navigation and some video, but not as an entertainment device. The important point for me is that allows me to leave behind a 15" laptop (not my phone) on short trips.
This is just me as a consumer, but 5" is a really tricky size. A 5" screen phone is huge - a phone should fit to my pocket, likewise a mp3 player, and then again a 5" video player is quite small for video. I don't find so many cases of travelling and wanting to watch something from a 5" screen. I have my 15" laptop anyway for those cases, much better for movies.
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2009-02-10
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#49
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Originally Posted by lma
Of course most of the time in-use is either spent at max clock or idle, and not in between.
That would be peak voltage again AIUI. We've had dynamic voltage scaling for a while (since Chinook?), and understandably higher clock frequencies may require higher voltage for stability.
Really, though, I think it largely comes down to cost. It'd be nice to have some prices, but I'm quite certain the OMAP3440 is more than a little more expensive than the OMAP3430.
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2009-02-10
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
So far, mostly yes (oversimplifying a bit - for example ignoring the DSP side issues). The OMAP3/Fremantle power management story looks a bit more complex & interesting. For example, the related FOSDEM talk made references to PM_QOS (although it focused on other PM aspects). If that ends up working as advertised we may see much more fine grained states depending on actual load. Then there's SmartReflex 2 which does other magic to compensate for leakage characteristics etc of the individual chip.
Of course most of the time in-use is either spent at max clock or idle, and not in between.
See also Mark Gross' & Richard Woodruff's CELF presentations, and the notes from last year's Ottawa Linux Power Management Summit.
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this is another reason _not_ to buy one of these.
Too much Gxxgle for my taste...