johnkzin | # 1331 | 2009-06-26, 03:59 | Report

Or maybe people had false expectations of what Nokia's end-game was, and now they're getting bitter about their own false expectations, but inappropriately displacing that bitterness on Nokia, instead of themselves.

qgil | # 1332 | 2009-06-26, 04:25 | Report

Sorry but what is the point you want to raise with this link? This article (written over a year ago) has an ambivalent subject and an even more ambivalent content.

Please open a new thread if you want to discuss further (since this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread: I can tell you the next Maemo device runs certainly Linux).

gerbick | # 1333 | 2009-06-26, 05:14 | Report

Normally I would agree... but with Nokia decisions ending up losing them money in 2008, I think that some decisions as well as the global economy starting to tank are both indicative of a need for change.

Or it'll continue and they'll have to let go of more hired help. And unlike your typical bitter person, I want Nokia to flourish.

I just have much less faith in their ability to support an item (more faith in the community though) and less faith in their products.

geneven | # 1334 | 2009-06-26, 07:30 | Report

I actually haven't given up on tablets, more on Nokia. Iran spying didn't help.

But I'm moving more into sofabook territory, since I don't do a lot of web surfing while jogging, personally.

So I just ordered the one here:

https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/home/

danramos | # 1335 | 2009-06-26, 07:56 | Report

Heh! I'm sorry, I'm not sure that Nokia's end-game should be irrelevant to the promises and pitches that sold the product to begin with.

ragnar | # 1336 | 2009-06-26, 07:59 | Report

So, you don't even care that it's a completely different company? Not every company that has Nokia in its name is Nokia. "Sony Ericsson" isn't Sony and it's not Ericsson.

benny1967 | # 1337 | 2009-06-26, 08:38 | Report

have to write this down and pin it above my desk. - it really packs into one sentence the absurdity of the idea to optimize this kind of devices for "mobile use".

it's a sofabook, dammit. and "mobile use" is best covered by a €40 S40-phone.

johnkzin | # 1338 | 2009-06-26, 09:50 | Report

I don't jog, but I do a lot of walking (both for exercise, and for getting to and from public transportation stops) ... and I do in fact web surf while walking. Or web surf while at bus stops. Or web surf while on a bus/train rides that are too short to pull out my netbook (7-15 minutes each).

My point being: sometimes a netbook is too big. (sometimes a pocketable is too small, but sometimes a netbook is too big). I do, however, really like the look/specs/design/price of the AI Touchbook. I'm really looking forward to hearing and seeing how well it lives up to its own hype.

(the netbook is for meetings, the couch, and the longest commute segment, which is an hour)

Not even close. Not only is an S60 phone not up to the task of being my primary pocketable device, an S40 phone isn't even up to the task of being my _backup_ device. The S40 phone I have (came with my wireless service) is pretty much useless.

The difference between my netbook/couchbook and my pocketable is: size (and the things that go with size), and telephony (mobile voice and SMS). Otherwise, the pocketable has to be just as capable as the netbook (decent web browser, solid ssh client (ie. not putty), etc.). If it's not, it's not worth carrying.

I'll reiterate what I've said elsewhere: if it's not a maemo phone, or an android phone, there's nothing else on the market that's worth giving the space in my pocket.

attila77 | # 1339 | 2009-06-26, 09:57 | Report

I understand what you're saying, but those ARE brand names, not just simple (hah) company names. If you don't want to be associated with it, don't use the same (high profile) name.

ragnar | # 1340 | 2009-06-26, 10:40 | Report

Yeah, let's change the name of Nokia, that's a great idea.