Nokia N900 RX-51 New Tablet/Smart Phone Pictures And Specification - Revealed - Page 6 - maemo.org

thorbo | # 51 | 2009-08-10, 13:05 | Report

I don't know about all of you, but I am happy to see this hardware outed, and (despite the fact that the world economy is lagging). I love my N800, but this is definitely a step up, despite all the complaining about kickstands, etc. Lets see, the alternative is, Nokia could have totally given up on the idea of "open", and all we would have had is nothing. We are not all going to be happy all the time, but there is so much in this device which is appealing, that despite some of the shortcomings I am sure 95% of the users of the board will be happy. I mean, the same rhetoric came with the N800, N810, and now people are sad when they can't seem to find them. I, for one, am looking forward to it.

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fms | # 52 | 2009-08-10, 13:06 | Report

Originally Posted by eiffel View Post

The reason given was that "everyone knows that Symbian is the future for Nokia". In this forum we're having trouble making sense of that reason.

What is your problem with this statement? I remember some Nokia's top cheese clearly saying that they intend Symbian/S60 to power middle-tier devices, with Maemo powering the top-tier. The Symbian still stays in Nokia's future though.

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theflew | # 53 | 2009-08-10, 13:09 | Report

Originally Posted by eiffel View Post

The reason given was that "everyone knows that Symbian is the future for Nokia". In this forum we're having trouble making sense of that reason.

I think they're saying Symbian is the future for the majority of their phones. Maemo might just be the OS for the high end N series. Symbian + Maemo actually solves a problem Apple and Palm have - scalability across a range of phones with different specs. Yet still have applications that can be run on the entire product base including desktops and netbooks?

tso | # 54 | 2009-08-10, 13:18 | Report

Originally Posted by fms View Post

Android = No brand differentiation.

i think htc's efforts with hero's interface disagrees with you there...

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Bernard | # 55 | 2009-08-10, 13:46 | Report

Originally Posted by

I think most users don't know the difference, and an OLED of that size would be expensive. I think they'd rather have a £30 cheaper device than one boasting an OLED screen.

The Samsung 8910 also has an OLED screen, don't know if it is expensive or not. OLED looks MUCH better in-doors, but the OLED on the samsung is horrible outdoors. Usability is my main concern, so I hope Nokia wil use a good out-door-readable screen, so that probably would be a transflective LCD screen of some kind.

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It's probably a given that those Netbooks will run Maemo too.

I think we will have to see. I currently do not see any advantage of Maemo over Ubuntu, OpenSuse or other established distribution ON NETBOOKS. But the disadvantage of Meamo is huge. Ubuntu has a very large and helpful community for example.
A portable tablet/phone is a very different form factor and needs a different interface, so a tailored distro makes sense. Also there is no large established distribution in the mobile space yet. So Maemo for mobiles makes a lot of sense.

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The indicator that you should be looking at is how many (mid-long term) developers are committed to support that system. read: think they can make money by developing for that system.

True, but the Open source developer community is large compared to the current smartphone developer communities for any platform (WinMo, S60, even iPhone). And they have their own business models regardless of the Maemo development / success.
I think Maemo will become more of a tool that is useful for developers rather than a platform that needs to make a profit on its own. It may be more developer/producer oriented, but it is also a lot more powerful because of it. I think that is what will make the platform grow faster than anything we've seen yet.
For most nomal people (not the gadget fanbase) if they need to buy an expensive phone, they want a phone that is most useful for them. That is why email-centered Blackberries are so popular and the Nokia camera phones or the webbrowsing iphone. They all do something extremely well.
A developer oriented platform provides the power to users to use the device for the things THEY find useful.

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Nokia's next focus probably would be the Ovi store

I don't know. I haven't figured out how to install/use ovi on my Nokia 5800, and I don't see the point yet.
Linux has one of the nicest software distribution methods with the repositories. I think that adding a second way to install software using something like OVI would only confuse users.

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qgil | # 56 | 2009-08-10, 14:00 | Report

Originally Posted by eiffel View Post

The reason given was that "everyone knows that Symbian is the future for Nokia". In this forum we're having trouble making sense of that reason.

Android is an open source stack targetting smartphones and offered to device manufacturers. Symbian has fulfilled the same purpose for certain partners and now is moving to the Symbian Foundation setiing with a full open source stack targetting also smartphone devices manufacturers..

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Laughing Man | # 57 | 2009-08-10, 14:05 | Report

I wonder about Android. Especially with Ubuntu working on running Android through something like a widget layer. If it would be possible to do on the n900. =P

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zerojay | # 58 | 2009-08-10, 14:06 | Report

Originally Posted by qgil View Post

Symbian has fulfilled the same purpose for certain partners

I once saw a Samsung running Symbian.

I'm still seeing a therapist about it.

fms | # 59 | 2009-08-10, 14:47 | Report

Originally Posted by tso View Post

i think htc's efforts with hero's interface disagrees with you there...

Heroic but ultimately fruitless, same as their efforts with WinMobile.

ysss | # 60 | 2009-08-10, 14:53 | Report

Originally Posted by Bernard View Post

True, but the Open source developer community is large compared to the current smartphone developer communities for any platform (WinMo, S60, even iPhone). And they have their own business models regardless of the Maemo development / success.
I think Maemo will become more of a tool that is useful for developers rather than a platform that needs to make a profit on its own. It may be more developer/producer oriented, but it is also a lot more powerful because of it. I think that is what will make the platform grow faster than anything we've seen yet.
For most nomal people (not the gadget fanbase) if they need to buy an expensive phone, they want a phone that is most useful for them. That is why email-centered Blackberries are so popular and the Nokia camera phones or the webbrowsing iphone. They all do something extremely well.
A developer oriented platform provides the power to users to use the device for the things THEY find useful.

Do you have any data to support the claim about the # of open source developers?
Personally, I think opensource developers community alone is far from enough to keep a truly mainstream platform afloat.

The gap between the number of developers vs user is so big, that the ability for 'users to scratch their own itch' doesn't matter at all (yet) to gain that critical mass. 'Open source' is not known as a 'solution' (yet) in the mainstream right now, unfortunately.

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Linux has one of the nicest software distribution methods with the repositories. I think that adding a second way to install software using something like OVI would only confuse users.

It doesn't seem to be catered for commercial apps, which would require more branding and marketing avenues associated with it.

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