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@AllNameWereOut: IMO one big brand can win all: look at Coca Cola
Oh please, what a **** analogy. Next you're gonna convince us here we should all drive Volkswagen. And, we're talking products; not brands.
I don't like coca cola. I don't even like soda much. But when I drink soda I drink Lipton Ice with real lemon and ice cubes. However, water with real lemon and ice cubes is just as much refreshing without the ping-pong from the sugar. Even then, there are tons of 'colas' on the market. Coca cola company might be market leader with their coca cola soda, but they don't have the market.
@mrojas: marketing can only open the door. to have the staying power for 3 years with 3 iterations, and growing, it takes more than just marketing. imho.
I don't know many songs of Led Zeppelin, sorry, I know is my issue, I know about AC/DC, Scorpions, etc and of course Beatles.
I will read tomorrow about Nokia bla-lues, eh, values, now here is too late and I need a sleep before another funny day @work.
And I know they are ok with what they are doing, just IMO, that idea with one brand name device I think can help make many customers who don't want to compare many device features like us, will help those people to decide. For instance the "maPhone" or the "maemoPhone", but this was another thread ... and I have this fixed idea
They need device visiblity... and in a forest (X6, 5800, 5230, N97, N900) you cannot see THAT tree.
Correction: you cannot see that. Maybe you didn't see the keynote or didn't understand it. You're forgetting E72/E75 btw!
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Learn from Apple: make it simple, put an easy name on it and make it popular... the copy-monkey will want that banana.
Apple is the other extreme with almost no devices (while lame differentiating with ****ING FLASH SIZE!), and many things are not simple on iPhone/iPod touch. With Apple you don't have much choice. Apple way or the highway. Between Nokia devices you have many choices to pick from.
Tell me, ever fallen in love? After some while you realize she has some negative aspects too right? Some you didn't see right away? Well, you're gonna feel the same for iPhone sooner or later, and when that time comes you can argue your points here more balanced/unbiased, with respect for other opinions, without looking like someone who took a bit out of a mushroom instead of an apple.
@allnameswereout: nothing is perfect.. human will always find ways to find flaws in something in their quest for 'perfection'
ok, but seriously, in iphone's case it has to be seen from a user's perspective. that's what matters when you care about market penetration.
@mrojas: marketing can only open the door. to have the staying power for 3 years with 3 iterations, and growing, it takes more than just marketing. imho.
Off-topic: I was thinking more along the lines of the marketing mix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing_mix). With the iPhone I get the impression that it got designed after having an exact idea of what they would offer and how the device should reflect that.
With Nokia devices, I often get the impression that Nokia was used to just engineer the most advanced or mass manufacturable device they can, and after that, they think on how to position it.
They could afford that (thanks to manufacturing capabilities, carrier deals, etc) and learn on the way but if they want to preserve the aura of a leader, they now need to hit home runs with very polished first releases. And I think the N900 has achieved that.
Well I agree the iPhone does not have it all, but it is the brand. In USA it is the only smartphone sold by a large margin.
Could be, but Apple is not market leader in US, and I like many other humans am not living in US, while Nokia has strong brand recognition, and is market leader, all over the world; except in US.
Now, I don't need the ethics from Cupertino or USA shoved on my throat telling me what I'm (not) able to do with my hardware. That does not mean the iPhone is suddenly a bad device (I don't think that black/white), there are workarounds, but its the principle which severely pisses me off. I feel disrespected by the device manufacturer.
Could be, but Apple is not market leader in US, and I like many other humans am not living in US, while Nokia has strong brand recognition, and is market leader, all over the world; except in US.
Now, I don't need the ethics from Cupertino or USA shoved on my throat telling me what I'm (not) able to do with my hardware. That does not mean the iPhone is suddenly a bad device (I don't think that black/white), there are workarounds, but its the principle which severely pisses me off. I feel disrespected by the device manufacturer.
Apple has plain and simply mastered the "less is more" philosophy. Same reason Google got where they are now from offering a website with nothing but a single text input in the center (rendering Altavista and all the huge crowded "portal" sites obsolete in a flash). Ubuntu changed the Linux landscape by being the first to offer a tightly integrated and stripped-down-to-the-essential software installation. Firefox made a huge splash when it originally was little more than a very simplistic frontend to the Mozilla monster suite. Ruby on Rails. And the list goes on. If you look at the huge successes of the recent time, this is a very common pattern.
It's not that simplicity alone is a winner, but simplicity allows to focus on your strengths and make them really shine. That's also why Maemo 5 has been so stripped down in many ways. Not everyone likes it or wants to admit the connection, but it's an immensely powerful paradigm.
