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2009-09-28
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Totally.
William Gibson's netbots just found this discussion
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2009-09-28
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If I get this metaperson idea right... it's like an uber-avatar. A very powerful proxy.
In other words, a virtual demi-god.
I understand that we're well into science fiction here that will rapidly evolve into science fact (just as the internet itself did) but it still gives me an exciting/creepy feeling. We're so deep into the virtual now it's scary. What we're dancing around makes Second Life look like child's play.
I wrote on microsocieties a while back (http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...rt-1/#more-345) and I believe the core tenet will continue to hold true: that as humans we are designed to closely associate with no more than 200 or so other individuals. I believe this will translate to trust domains on the internet as well. Whether it's Twitter or LinkedIn or MySpace or Facebook or some other social silo, we can link to as many people as we like but we can't effectively manage direct trusts with them all.
So any sort of metaperson solution will still have to be hierarchal or people will have unsatisfied concerns over trust and privacy. I don't trust mega-entities to look out for my interests. I do trust a handful of close family, friends and associates. They in turn trust others. So I see trust domains, for content sharing or any other purpose, as an exercise in virtual hub-and-spoke building...
EDIT: holy $#|+, I suddenly envision Active Directory underpinning the Internet...
Last edited by Texrat; 2009-09-28 at 16:36.
In other words, a virtual demi-god.
I understand that we're well into science fiction here that will rapidly evolve into science fact (just as the internet itself did) but it still gives me an exciting/creepy feeling. We're so deep into the virtual now it's scary. What we're dancing around makes Second Life look like child's play.
I wrote on microsocieties a while back (http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...rt-1/#more-345) and I believe the core tenet will continue to hold true: that as humans we are designed to closely associate with no more than 200 or so other individuals. I believe this will translate to trust domains on the internet as well. Whether it's Twitter or LinkedIn or MySpace or Facebook or some other social silo, we can link to as many people as we like but we can't effectively manage direct trusts with them all.
So any sort of metaperson solution will still have to be hierarchal or people will have unsatisfied concerns over trust and privacy. I don't trust mega-entities to look out for my interests. I do trust a handful of close family, friends and associates. They in turn trust others. So I see trust domains, for content sharing or any other purpose, as an exercise in virtual hub-and-spoke building...
EDIT: holy $#|+, I suddenly envision Active Directory underpinning the Internet...
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2009-09-28
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Well, now you're just getting into quantum physics.
So I see trust domains, for content sharing or any other purpose, as an exercise in virtual hub-and-spoke building...
Originally Posted by Texrat
Ha ha ha!
EDIT: holy $#|+, I suddenly envision Active Directory underpinning the Internet...
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2009-09-28
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Originally Posted by Texrat
I hear you, and its sad for myself as a scheduling conflict made it such that I could no attend; and that took me out of the running. And its a shame, becasue I'd totally do conferences/workshops like this more often as I know that there's a need to not just be able to code the impossible, but to also translate that into signs/sign-systems that endear us all to see life just a little bit differently.
There's a thread here somewhere with volunteer and nomination requests. I really thought my broad experience would get me in.
I'd love to come a day early but doubt I can afford a hotel room. Heck, I still don't think we have final word on the Summit rooms, and if I did come early I'd want to have the same room or at least hotel...
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2009-09-28
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Originally Posted by Texrat
AD does a bit too much.
If I get this metaperson idea right... it's like an uber-avatar. A very powerful proxy.
In other words, a virtual demi-god.
<snip>...
EDIT: holy $#|+, I suddenly envision Active Directory underpinning the Internet...
The idea of a metaperson already exists in IRS, govt, credit card/banking, and educational facilities. Its how they ID and keep and ID of all that pass through. Giving that power to people would be fun, inately human, and way too scary.
Sounds like the future will be a lot of fun, anyone wanna help me be an AD admin :
In respect to the how a metaperson schema could work:
This is already possible, use Nokia's or Golden Pak's mobile web servers and you can do just that.
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2009-09-28
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Originally Posted by timsamoff
Google Profile page, and the .name and .tel extensions also offer this ability
Social Networks are sort of doing this now (think about places like Last.fm or any of the Twitter trending services), although viewing the "attached" user is fairly integral to those systems -- but it wouldn't have to be. People, places, interest, keywords, etc., all get aggregated into a "menu" of sorts, where the user can pick and choose.
Tim
EDIT: Research: social graph - when a mobile OS looks like this (think Palm's webOS), then we get creative with stuff.
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2009-09-28
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Originally Posted by ARJWright
I'm going to go ahead and go early. Just gotta scrape up the cash and figure out what to do about a hotel room that one night (no clue). I'll probably tail qole that day and annoy the hell out of him while the 5 co-creators share their insanity.
I hear you, and its sad for myself as a scheduling conflict made it such that I could no attend; and that took me out of the running. And its a shame, becasue I'd totally do conferences/workshops like this more often as I know that there's a need to not just be able to code the impossible, but to also translate that into signs/sign-systems that endear us all to see life just a little bit differently.
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2009-09-28
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Originally Posted by ARJWright
Yah, but I'll betcha Steve Ballmer has wet dreams about it.
AD does a bit too much.
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2009-09-29
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another possible hing came to me last night when I was thinking about my upcoming trip to sichuan. If I had an N900 I could navigate but it would also know where I was doing everything, say taking my picture (geotagging).
I don't know if it already exists, but I'd like something like a deluxe version of the events that Mac uses. If the device knows that I live in beijing and suddenly I'm taking lot of pictures in sichuan it should put these together as one event, Trip A. For backpackers you could to i two-stepped, Trip A with sub-folders for the different places visited. All the data would seem to be there already, you just need to put it together as a sorting mechanism.
I don't know if it already exists, but I'd like something like a deluxe version of the events that Mac uses. If the device knows that I live in beijing and suddenly I'm taking lot of pictures in sichuan it should put these together as one event, Trip A. For backpackers you could to i two-stepped, Trip A with sub-folders for the different places visited. All the data would seem to be there already, you just need to put it together as a sorting mechanism.
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Instead of "me" connecting similarly to "person1," "person2," "person3," etc., we would all be perceived as metapersonA. MetapersonA would be receiving input from all sorts of individuals and, based on our input, we would either remain connected as metapersonA, become connected to another metaperson, or spawn an entirely new metaperson.
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