Active Topics
-
[Announce] genwall a simple iptables firewall (90)
to Applications by paoletto - 1 day, 8 hrs ago -
N9 as WiFi repeater/extender? (1)
to Nokia N9 / N950 by paoletto - 1 day, 9 hrs ago -
Sailfish OS flashing files (89)
to SailfishOS by monkeyisland - 2 days, 9 hrs ago - more...
| The Following User Says Thank You to tso For This Useful Post: | ||
|
2009-09-25
, 12:12
|
|
Posts: 2,802 |
Thanked: 4,491 times |
Joined on Nov 2007
|
#22
|
Originally Posted by attila77
Hopefully now that they've taken the plunge and joined the Linux Foundation we'll see some improvements.
That's because ARM doesn't make processors, it licenses them.
As for GPU, that's PowerVR, not strictly related to ARMs (after all, you even have Atoms touting SGX graphics).
Originally Posted by tso
Heh, I was playing NWN on a powervr "kyro" card back in the day (ok, for small values of "playing", since the proprietary driver kept crashing at random points)
hell, powervr ones supplied graphics chips for desktop pc's, back when 3dfx (remember those?) where king...
|
|
2009-09-25
, 12:29
|
|
Posts: 3,319 |
Thanked: 5,610 times |
Joined on Aug 2008
@ Finland
|
#23
|
Originally Posted by tso
For those interested in the story...
Iirc, the qualcomm snapdragon is cortex compatible on the binary level, but uses a qualcomm designed core, while samsung and TI, for example, uses ARM designed cores in their products.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10123149-64.html
Qualcomm is able to achieve this relatively high speed (1.5GHz) for a low-power processor because it did more than simply get a license from ARM. "We went and got an architecture license from ARM. The architecture license was for their new instruction set, the V7 instruction set. There's a difference between getting an architecture license and just getting a core license. A core license means ARM does the (chip) core and they give it to you. The architecture license is different: the actual implementation is your own.
"About four years ago we had a bunch of guys join (who) used to work for IBM in the PowerPC group," Gill said. He said the engineers came from IBM's chip group that designs chips for low-power "embedded" devices.
"There was a need to go do something beyond this. So, we went and got the architecture license (from ARM) and we have this team of about 50 CPU designers and we put them to task. So, four years and $350 (million) to $400 million later, we have a CPU that actually works better than the (typical) ARM CPU."
| The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to attila77 For This Useful Post: | ||
|
|
2009-09-25
, 12:37
|
|
Posts: 3,319 |
Thanked: 5,610 times |
Joined on Aug 2008
@ Finland
|
#24
|
Originally Posted by lma
That's why I said it's a double edged sword. Intel is perhaps more open in some aspects, but can get complacent from time to time because of the lack of competition (except for the occasional AMD surge). On the other hand ARM can't sleep/stop innovating as then it's own children will try to eat it
I did say ecosystem (not singling out ARM Ltd exclusively). While I'm no big fan of Intel's they do have a much more open approach on their CPUs, GPUs, WLAN chips etc than what you typically find on an ARM-based system.
 |
|
2009-09-25
, 13:16
|
|
Posts: 4,783 |
Thanked: 1,253 times |
Joined on Aug 2007
@ norway
|
#25
|
also, when it comes to gpu's on X86, there is intel, amd/ati and nvidia, all of whom have had to deal with open source for much longer then arm/powervr (iirc), and nvidia still insisit on making closed source drivers rather then opening up info like amd and intel have done (or i think intel have done, as they seems to employ a fair bit of open source developers).
__________________
Be warned, posts are often line of thoughts at highway speeds...
Be warned, posts are often line of thoughts at highway speeds...
 |
|
2009-09-25
, 13:57
|
|
Posts: 3,397 |
Thanked: 1,212 times |
Joined on Jul 2008
@ Netherlands
|
#26
|
Originally Posted by Milhouse
Look, same here, but usually when a site requires Flash I don't want it. I like to be able to enable Flash only when I want to, Flashblock-style.
Silverlight has such limited visibility on the internet that not having support for it in Maemo is just not a big deal, whereas having better Flash (such as the OMAP optimised Flash 10 Player due in the next few months) is a much, much bigger deal - I know which I would rather have!
Now, I don't say Silverlight is widely used (nor do I say I love MS or want to see Silverlight replacing Flash), but the examples I gave are useful.
Back with EC2008 football the alternative was DVB-H, cable or DVB-T (not portable), Windows (e.g. laptop), or simply not watching it. For a mobile device only DVB-H is a reasonable option. These devices were sold during EC2008, but DVB-H has not a commodity. It is much more rare than say a camera on a phone.
If Microsoft wants Silverlight to replace Flash they will do their best to port Silverlight to ARM, including Android and Linux, simply because these devices have marketshare. They also care to optimize the performance on par with competing technologies.
And should Silverlight ever gain any traction on the internet, there's always the open source Moonlight...
__________________
Goosfraba! All text written by allnameswereout is public domain unless stated otherwise. Thank you for sharing your output!
Goosfraba! All text written by allnameswereout is public domain unless stated otherwise. Thank you for sharing your output!
 |
|
2009-09-26
, 17:39
|
|
Posts: 1,589 |
Thanked: 720 times |
Joined on Aug 2009
@ Arlington (DFW), Texas
|
#27
|
in response to me saying I don't like all of the Linux distros, only want a super distro
Originally Posted by benny1967
I totally see your point now. I'm new to Linux, but I now see that the different distros are just separate modular builds of Linux having the things they may need and ignoring those you don't. From what I understand, you can add what you need if its missing anyway. Great point. I learned something from that. I love being schooled...
Bad, bad, bad.
As a consumer, you should be able to choose among several options to find what's best for you. If you prefer one super-Linux... why not go all the way and say kill each and every OS and keep only one? No matter which one?
__________________
Maemo-Freak.com
"...and the Freaks shall inherit the Earth."
Maemo-Freak.com
"...and the Freaks shall inherit the Earth."
 |
|
2009-09-26
, 17:59
|
|
Posts: 3,790 |
Thanked: 5,718 times |
Joined on Mar 2006
@ Vienna, Austria
|
#28
|
Originally Posted by christexaport
and i love your new avatar.
I learned something from that. I love being schooled...
|
|
2009-09-26
, 19:00
|
|
Posts: 1,589 |
Thanked: 720 times |
Joined on Aug 2009
@ Arlington (DFW), Texas
|
#29
|
I had to pull out my professional hat and attitude to try to quell some of the discord around here. It worked on our Symbian forums... Glad you like it. I have dredlocks now, so some might not recognize that 2008 photo.
__________________
Maemo-Freak.com
"...and the Freaks shall inherit the Earth."
Maemo-Freak.com
"...and the Freaks shall inherit the Earth."
 |
|
2010-01-08
, 14:50
|
|
Posts: 13 |
Thanked: 6 times |
Joined on Sep 2009
@ Netherlands
|
#30
|
LG Gw990 Intel Moorestown smartphone , watch the video just great at 5.00 minutes and the os is Moblin 2.1 Linux based and a screen resolution 1024X480 .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPKTf...ayer_embedded#
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPKTf...ayer_embedded#
hell, powervr ones supplied graphics chips for desktop pc's, back when 3dfx (remember those?) where king...
thats the thing here, ARM do not make hardware, they only makes designs and specs. Iirc, the qualcomm snapdragon is cortex compatible on the binary level, but uses a qualcomm designed core, while samsung and TI, for example, uses ARM designed cores in their products.
Be warned, posts are often line of thoughts at highway speeds...