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The Extras Testing Marathon (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33164) got me thinking: we need to improve member awareness of and participation in community events.
http://maemo.org/community/brainstor...munity_events/
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I am trying to add the following solution but Brainstorm is misbehaving again:

We need a full-blown dynamic calendar that supports exporting events using the iCalendar format. Interested parties could click on iCalendar objects and receive events to their phone, PC, or other supporting device.

icalendar (and vcards): http://www.enonic.com/en/Blog/Calend...Card.62646.cms

PHP iCalendar: http://www.findmysoft.com/scripts/PH...-download.html
EDIT: solution #1 finally saved.

EDIT 2: expanded solution description based on possible misunderstanding.
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Lots of effort was expended on a midgard calendar module a few years ago; given such community events are often larger things, I'd've thought the council blog (syndicated to planet) and appropriate posts on maemo-community and tmo were sufficient?

How do you know there's not going to be sufficient participation tomorrow? ;-)
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How do you know there's not going to be sufficient participation tomorrow? ;-)
I don't, and that's not the sole premise of the proposal.

Primarily this came about because most of the professional events I attend provide a link that will send an iCalendar object to your cell phone or email client. I can set alerts for that item based on need. I just think it would be nice to have that capability for maemo.org events. Why not?
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I don't, and that's not the sole premise of the proposal.
No, but my point was that you're trying to find a solution to a problem which might not be a problem; for something (a community focal point in time) which has - to date - been rare.

Primarily this came about because most of the professional events I attend provide a link that will send an iCalendar object to your cell phone or email client. I can set alerts for that item based on need. I just think it would be nice to have that capability for maemo.org events. Why not?
So, there are two solutions:
  1. Someone creates an iCal file and puts it somewhere for people already interested to add it to their calendars.
  2. The "Maemo community calendar" gets dusted off and used http://maemo.org/community/calendar/ to try and provide a single point for Maemo-related points in space-time.

The problems with both (1) and (2) are that it's still only visible to people looking there. So it wouldn't necessarily "increase member awareness of and participation in community events" unless the calendar (or a subset of upcoming events) were prominently displayed in a location which large number of people go to. Maybe the sidebar in a few places?

However, it'd be up to the sprint process to decide if more investment in a little used midgard module was worth the focus and time spent by the Nemein guys + the development costs on the other places on *.maemo.org where it should be integrated.

There'd then have to be a push to populate it with the right kind of events and keep it updated.
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Jaffa I understand your points, but some things you may not be considering...

- I have so far only listed one solution for the idea. I may come up with more, or others are always free to do so

- just as absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, lack of use of a feature does not necessarily mean it isn't useful. Of course there are likely several layers to the calendar issue. I think it should be explored.

- I don't predicate Brainstorm proposals on what's done today or come before, but things I believe we should be thinking about. One of these is events... and I believe it's time for maemo.org to get more engaged with them.

- A master calendar is useful in many ways but it doesn't stop there. If we had iCal objects, they could be included in Talk posts, emails, feeds, whatever
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Eh? I'm suggesting concrete solutions to your problem one of them which realises your solution #1; I'm afraid I don't understand your response.

Part of brainstorming is exploring the limits of the problemspace. For example, if you had downloadable iCal objects which are included in different places (rather than URLs) you can't handle changes in the original event very well.
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Eh? I'm suggesting concrete solutions to your problem one of them which realises your solution #1; I'm afraid I don't understand your response.
Then we're on equal footing, because it seems I didn't understand your challenge then.

I'm starting to suspect you and I speak very different dialects (but thanks for the suggestions!).
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  1. Someone creates an iCal file and puts it somewhere for people already interested to add it to their calendars.
  2. The "Maemo community calendar" gets dusted off and used http://maemo.org/community/calendar/ to try and provide a single point for Maemo-related points in space-time.
Seems http://maemo.org/news/events/rss.xml uses FeedCreator module in Midgard, to construct xcal. Maybe it can export to *.ics instead. Then one can subscribe to it.

Otherwise, one can convert ics/ical to xml. Example using xslt. Example using php.
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Well I couldn't get those 2 working, not with xsltproc or xalan...

Another option is this one: http://www.blogtender.com/2007/05/di...-feed-in-ical/ together with libphp-magpierss and then http://127.0.0.1/rss-ics.php?url=htt...events/rss.xml this created the following ics:
BEGIN:VCALENDAR
VERSION:2.0
X-WR-CALNAME:Events
PRODID:-//Generated by RSScal//Tom Henderson 2007
CALSCALE:GREGORIAN
METHOD:PUBLISH
BEGIN:VEVENT
URL;VALUE=URI:/news/events/6th_fruct_seminar/
DTSTART:20090911T183724
DTEND:20090911T213724
SUMMARY:11/03/09: 6th FRUCT Seminar
DESCRIPTION:
END:VEVENT
BEGIN:VEVENT
URL;VALUE=URI:/news/events/copenhagen_qt_training/
DTSTART:20091007T084649
DTEND:20091007T114649
SUMMARY:11/18/09: Maemo Developer Day and Forum Nokia Qt for Mobile Developers training in Copenhagen ...
DESCRIPTION:
END:VEVENT
END:VCALENDAR
I succesfully imported in OSX iCal but have not verified further. In Evolution I couldn't import it. Haven't checked why. But I see some things which I want to have different.

[EDIT]Another one here http://www.kigkonsult.se/rsscalCreator/index.php haven't tried it though[/EDIT]
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