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2009-10-30
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Originally Posted by drm
Better than Google? Good luck with that...
The only advantage that nokia misses is innovation.
They release a maemo phone just has a last resource. Wouldn’t iphone and android appear in the market and nokia would stay with n95 style phones.
With maps nokia has a huge advantage. They have the maps of the all world, while google just has some part of America. The rest they still need to buy from Tomtom (I don’t now if they will continue to supply maps to google after this announcement).
Nokia need to sell advertisements. For that it needs to add a very good search engine to ovi.
With words, images, news.
It needs to make what google do. And better.
If not big clouds will cover Finland.
Actually they just need to be on par with Google, I believe people prefer to own themselves (instead of being an estimated number of value for Google's data).
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2009-10-30
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You'd be surprised c0rt3x. Anyway, I haven't programmed anything in a long time (since high school.. maybe my first year of college and I'm a graduate student now). So I haven't really touched code in a long long time. So I doubt I have the expertise to create this (nor the time.. again graduate student).
But I'm going read up (when I have time) to see if there's any simple scripting program like AutoHotKey for Windows that can run in Linux that can do what I described in the post. If anyone has any suggestions or good sources then feel free to post them here. Otherwise I'm starting with a Google search >.>
Hmm.. maybe python..
But I'm going read up (when I have time) to see if there's any simple scripting program like AutoHotKey for Windows that can run in Linux that can do what I described in the post. If anyone has any suggestions or good sources then feel free to post them here. Otherwise I'm starting with a Google search >.>
Hmm.. maybe python..
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2009-10-30
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Originally Posted by danramos
Maemo Mapper? Never made it into the Linux desktop. Nothing of this kind did. Lack of GPS on hardware is one of reasons. Wayfinder came with maps preloaded, and was not by Nokia. Navteq acquisition was pretty recent. Google can burn money as they like on this because their profit lies in the data mining.
I think the point he was making was, as the most successful open-source businesses will point out, that the money is in the services and support, not in the binary software. Had Nokia led the charge with open-sourcing the Wayfinder app that used their pay-for services, that same app might have ended up spilling onto Android and the desktop/laptops and other platforms -- heck, maybe even have been included in Linux distributions, such that it might have headed off what Google has shown to understand better than Nokia does.
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2009-10-30
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Google needs to destroy all the competition. Some sort of dumping.
Only then their advertisement policy becomes profitable. They copy all the data from the maps of teleatlas and navteq then they put it available for free.
If this was made by the open source community I wouldn’t have objections because there was no profit involved. But this is an economic attack that has profit has intention and should be regulated.
Only then their advertisement policy becomes profitable. They copy all the data from the maps of teleatlas and navteq then they put it available for free.
If this was made by the open source community I wouldn’t have objections because there was no profit involved. But this is an economic attack that has profit has intention and should be regulated.
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2009-10-30
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
I don't think Memo Mapper and most of the other open source mapping tools were ever assisted by the map providers to support their systems to promote selling the service of providing maps. It's certainly not the lack of GPS hardware (laptops are even coming with them in some cases and there's a plethora of cheap bluetooth or usb based GPS receivers).
Maemo Mapper? Never made it into the Linux desktop. Nothing of this kind did. Lack of GPS on hardware is one of reasons. Wayfinder came with maps preloaded, and was not by Nokia. Navteq acquisition was pretty recent. Google can burn money as they like on this because their profit lies in the data mining.
Wayfinder's advantage was vector maps--which meant you didn't have to waste bandwidth or be connected all the time. I haven't seen any assistance from the vector map providers either--and that's the one that I would certainly pay for (already did--I bought the Nokia N800 GPS kit when it first came out).
My guess is that Google's profits lie in many places, not just data mining. They're intelligently providing free software (and often, free services) in return for more eyes, more often, and very subtly selling all of those eyes on adwords and other methods. The other talent there, then, is in that they manage to make even their ad money unobtrusively enough to make their platform a popular choice. They still charge money for some things, too.
Most important take-away from Google is this: creative, useful, popular, compatible and free.
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2009-10-31
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With enough talent anything is possible. I have always said that the Tablet's, and now the N900 strong points will be the ability to use locally stored pages. Even a no talent hack like meself has been able to coble together useful HTML. However, the problem with apps that use Google may eventually be Google's server.
I spent the morning playing around with HTML provided by twaelti in this thread >> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33645
I managed to add directions and tweaked it for us stylus users on N8**'s and to show mo' map.
maemap3.html
The thing is, after I hit their server a couple a dozen times, things started to get slow. (I said I had no talent. I just keep banging away until something works.
). Also, at times the route layer wouldn't load.
I'm thinkin' that after so many hits, the server imposes some sort of restriction. I mean we have seen that happen with Maemomapper as well.
Ideally, the thing to do would be to access stored tiles rather than be at the whim of their server.
I have OVI maps SDK but things don't look that promising but again, my abilities may leave something to be desired.
One of the benefits of the popularity of the N900 is that it will bring more HTML/CSS talent to the table. Hopefully this will also breath some new life into our older tablets.
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A shout out to brontide who got the whole thing started with me. Perhaps folks like twaelti and a new fellow named helphelp911 will light the fire for some of our newer members
I spent the morning playing around with HTML provided by twaelti in this thread >> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33645
I managed to add directions and tweaked it for us stylus users on N8**'s and to show mo' map.
maemap3.html
The thing is, after I hit their server a couple a dozen times, things started to get slow. (I said I had no talent. I just keep banging away until something works.
). Also, at times the route layer wouldn't load.I'm thinkin' that after so many hits, the server imposes some sort of restriction. I mean we have seen that happen with Maemomapper as well.
Ideally, the thing to do would be to access stored tiles rather than be at the whim of their server.
I have OVI maps SDK but things don't look that promising but again, my abilities may leave something to be desired.
One of the benefits of the popularity of the N900 is that it will bring more HTML/CSS talent to the table. Hopefully this will also breath some new life into our older tablets.
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A shout out to brontide who got the whole thing started with me. Perhaps folks like twaelti and a new fellow named helphelp911 will light the fire for some of our newer members
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2009-10-31
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I am well ahead of you here.
I am not confident that my success is assured yet, but I have a project plan to bring simple GPS functionality to web-based apps on the N900.
If I can do this, I expect to be able to build a respectable web-based mapping app.
I am not confident that my success is assured yet, but I have a project plan to bring simple GPS functionality to web-based apps on the N900.
If I can do this, I expect to be able to build a respectable web-based mapping app.
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2009-10-31
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Good to see others were already thinking along the same lines.
@YoDude
Ugh, I forgot about how Google begins to throttle you after a while, good point.. that would limit refreshes. I guess Android has a special way of accessing the data that avoids the throttling..
@YoDude
Ugh, I forgot about how Google begins to throttle you after a while, good point.. that would limit refreshes. I guess Android has a special way of accessing the data that avoids the throttling..
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2009-11-02
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Originally Posted by danielwilms
Update on this. There is a version for the browser-backend for the GeoLocation API now in extras-devel, called maemo-geolocation. You can test it browsing to this page.
Mozilla is using the geolocation API. Unfortunately the back-end for the Maemo browser, which would be needed to use it, is not implemented yet.
edit: of course you should be aware that this is an application in extras-devel, and because of this consider this WARNING if you test it
Cheers Daniel
Last edited by danielwilms; 2009-11-02 at 13:35. Reason: added warning
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They release a maemo phone just has a last resource. Wouldn’t iphone and android appear in the market and nokia would stay with n95 style phones.
With maps nokia has a huge advantage. They have the maps of the all world, while google just has some part of America. The rest they still need to buy from Tomtom (I don’t now if they will continue to supply maps to google after this announcement).
Nokia need to sell advertisements. For that it needs to add a very good search engine to ovi.
With words, images, news.
It needs to make what google do. And better.
If not big clouds will cover Finland.