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2006-11-03
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#52
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
I see no reason to upgrade when I am completely stable right now. Especially with all the problems people seem to be complaining about. I love my Nokia 770, but I am sick of being a BETA tester because they refuse to QA this stuff. It's not just the 770 though, I also have a Nokia 6682, while the phone is great, it reboots occaisonally and sometimes its when it rings. Call me cooky, but thats a serious bug, and there is no update, I have the latest software version and they will not be updating it. So I am stuck with a $300 phone that reboots sometimes when people call it.
NOKIA - GET IT TOGETHER!!
Which is the version of Software that you have on your 6682 ? If you flashed it with the latest Firmware, how did you do it and where did you get the Firmware. ? I searched for the latest Firmware all over but could not find it. Thanks
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2006-11-03
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I updated this morning my 770 and the new OS seem really stable and Nokia made a really good job!
Yes this toke me at least 2 hours, flash the new OS, add all the repository, install all SW, search and install manually whats are not inside the repository, but i'm happy now!
Yes this toke me at least 2 hours, flash the new OS, add all the repository, install all SW, search and install manually whats are not inside the repository, but i'm happy now!
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2006-11-03
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@ Michigan, USA
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#54
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Originally Posted by Arjun
Which is the version of Software that you have on your 6682 ? If you flashed it with the latest Firmware, how did you do it and where did you get the Firmware. ? I searched for the latest Firmware all over but could not find it. Thanks
I just went to nokiausa.com/6682 and clicked on "Phone Software Update" There is now the latestest firmware available at Nokia website for 6682.
This is the version I have already! :-(
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2006-11-03
, 18:32
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@ Ottawa, ON
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#55
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Originally Posted by schmolch
Yes ... most definitely. Everything else seems to be fine (I can use the menu, start other apps, low memory and CPU indicators) but I can't get Opera to follow a link until I restart it. Odd. Is there a bugzilla on this yet?
Btw. does anyone else have to regularly restart opera because links stop working?
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2006-11-03
, 18:43
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@ "Almost there!" (Monte Christo, Count of)
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#56
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
In fairness to Nokia: that's what Open Source Software is (among other things obviously) about: Release early, release often. If you use OSS, you're a beta-tester. To put it crudely: Live it or leave it.I see no reason to upgrade when I am completely stable right now. Especially with all the problems people seem to be complaining about. I love my Nokia 770, but I am sick of being a BETA tester because they refuse to QA this stuff.
I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize the quality of the software (in fact, the more critics the better!), but it's no use complaining about the process. If you really can't live with the way OSS is developed and released, then maybe Windows is more your thing.
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2006-11-03
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@ Vienna, Austria
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
Yes and no. The problem is that there's still closed source components and things that are not open for the community to change. Nokia is still trying to reach the FOSS-bank with one foot safe on the proprietary side of the river... and I'm afraid that won't work.In fairness to Nokia: that's what Open Source Software is (among other things obviously) about: Release early, release often. If you use OSS, you're a beta-tester. To put it crudely: Live it or leave it.
I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize the quality of the software (in fact, the more critics the better!), but it's no use complaining about the process. If you really can't live with the way OSS is developed and released, then maybe Windows is more your thing.
You're right that we should accept that short release cycles also mean less testing at Nokia and more bugs for the end user. Thats how it works. If you dont like it, always stay at least one version behind.
BUT: The reason why it works this way (in other FOSS-projects) is that developers expect users to file bugs, submit patches and improve the overall quality of the software. This is the reason for "Release early, release often". Now: How should the community fix a bug in a closed source browser? That won't work.
So I think that while the typical Windows-type consumer should probably learn not to install fresh versions immediately, Nokia on the other hand must begin to realize that they can't go on with this strange mixture of open/closed source. If they do, I would strongly support either a completely community driven fork of maemo or adapting some other distribution to the 770 hardware.
(Pity the current Mameo software, while having its bugs, is much too good for people to feel the urge of starting the whole thing from scratch
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2006-11-03
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@ Finland
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I just try to think positively this time. We all remember the Big Parade announcement of IT2006 and the intermediate update version of IT2005 before. No major improvements we given to us before a totally renewed (exaggerating) firmware. NAVICORE was announced to be working in IT2006, but better with itīs successor and would be available this year. Simply asked: are you ready to go back to IT2005? Was it ready before IT2006?
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2006-11-03
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After a day of playing with the new updated 2006 release (and spending several hours reinstalling applications and whatnot), I have to say I am glad I upgraded, but only very mildy. To me, this update added very little in the way of new features/functionality. Roughly half of the "bullet points" in the release notes stated in a very non-specific way:
-improved this
-improved that
As an end user, after digging quite a bit, I haven't really noticed much in the way of new functionality. Is this update kinda the electronic equivalent of slapping a "new and improved" sticker on a cereal box? While I have noticed some general improvements in device stability (ie, my 770 doesn't spontaneously reboot every time I sneeze), that really isn't enough for me to encourage brand loyalty and make me want to run out and buy the 870 when it arrives. While I recognize that crashes/bugs do sneak into a project of this scope, are our expectations really so low that we are pleased when our device doesn't spontaneously implode once an hour? I have still not seen any evidence that the functional deficiencies of the 770 are going to be addressed. Namely:
-Lack of support for bluetooth keyboards (most importantly) and other bluetooth profiles
-Current email client is utterly useless. It is an INTERNET TABLET for peat's sake. It should do email and do it well. The poor UI and workflow of this application makes it next to useless for my needs
-Total lack of support for Java and ancient version of Flash.
-Lack of granular control of power management rules out the 770 for many of my desired uses. At the very least, I would like the ability to turn on/off power management at will.
I have lots more pet peaves with the 770, but those are the big ones. Until I see those points addressed, I have no interest in purchasing a future Nokia IT.
Last edited by Rocketman; 2006-11-03 at 21:07.
-improved this
-improved that
As an end user, after digging quite a bit, I haven't really noticed much in the way of new functionality. Is this update kinda the electronic equivalent of slapping a "new and improved" sticker on a cereal box? While I have noticed some general improvements in device stability (ie, my 770 doesn't spontaneously reboot every time I sneeze), that really isn't enough for me to encourage brand loyalty and make me want to run out and buy the 870 when it arrives. While I recognize that crashes/bugs do sneak into a project of this scope, are our expectations really so low that we are pleased when our device doesn't spontaneously implode once an hour? I have still not seen any evidence that the functional deficiencies of the 770 are going to be addressed. Namely:
-Lack of support for bluetooth keyboards (most importantly) and other bluetooth profiles
-Current email client is utterly useless. It is an INTERNET TABLET for peat's sake. It should do email and do it well. The poor UI and workflow of this application makes it next to useless for my needs
-Total lack of support for Java and ancient version of Flash.
-Lack of granular control of power management rules out the 770 for many of my desired uses. At the very least, I would like the ability to turn on/off power management at will.
I have lots more pet peaves with the 770, but those are the big ones. Until I see those points addressed, I have no interest in purchasing a future Nokia IT.
Last edited by Rocketman; 2006-11-03 at 21:07.
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2006-11-03
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@ "Almost there!" (Monte Christo, Count of)
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Yay! on the forking thingie. Open770 now! Yes and no. The problem is that there's still closed source components and things that are not open for the community to change. Nokia is still trying to reach the FOSS-bank with one foot safe on the proprietary side of the river... and I'm afraid that won't work.
You're right that we should accept that short release cycles also mean less testing at Nokia and more bugs for the end user. Thats how it works. If you dont like it, always stay at least one version behind.
BUT: The reason why it works this way (in other FOSS-projects) is that developers expect users to file bugs, submit patches and improve the overall quality of the software. This is the reason for "Release early, release often". Now: How should the community fix a bug in a closed source browser? That won't work.
So I think that while the typical Windows-type consumer should probably learn not to install fresh versions immediately, Nokia on the other hand must begin to realize that they can't go on with this strange mixture of open/closed source. If they do, I would strongly support either a completely community driven fork of maemo or adapting some other distribution to the 770 hardware.
(Pity the current Mameo software, while having its bugs, is much too good for people to feel the urge of starting the whole thing from scratch
And yes: I over-simplified. But Opera is out of Nokia's hands. That's why I don't get the complaints about Opera directed to Nokia. What Nokia should do, is actively support the development of the 770 port of Minimo. Heck, for all I know, they're already doing that.
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