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hstende | # 961 | 2010-04-04, 22:24 | Report

On my ubuntu-image inside lxde it took about 45s from I started opening openoffice writer till I could write some text with kernel running at 950

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filologen | # 962 | 2010-04-04, 22:24 | Report

I tried GIMP with the overclocked kernel (900ghz) and it is really _much_ smoother to work with!

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Ronaldo | # 963 | 2010-04-04, 22:34 | Report

i'm going manually install this, i have extracted debian-m5-v3b.img.ext2 file n900@900mhz

now can i uninstall apps like Debian Image Installer and others if i do not need it.

can some one confirm that these where only shortcuts?

i renamed:

1gnome-alsamixer.desk
1image-install.desk
1lxdefocus.desk
1xbindkeys.desk

Last edited by Ronaldo; 2010-04-05 at 00:06.

rebhana | # 964 | 2010-04-05, 20:39 | Report

Originally Posted by rebhana View Post

@qole: I would guess that this little modification of /usr/bin/xephwm5 (i.e. replacing Information by Info in grep) should work for the majority of languages. Information translates to Information in German and French, while in Italian you have informazione, in Spanish información, etc etc.
So perhaps you could simply apply this little fix to the current v3b image, without any ado of a new version number? I think that would solve this issue for a large number of nationalities, though probably not all.

qole, I understand that you don't have the time to produce a completely new image. Since v3b is anyway very good indeed that can very well wait until openoffice gets full armel support from Debian again. But what about making a v3c which is just v3b with minor modifications for making it suitable for localization by fixing /usr/bin/xephwm5 as done by hstende?

Out of curiosity, I checked by looking at the various /usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/zenity.mo files that this fix works for almost all European languages, germanic, romanic, and also slavic when they use the Latin alphabet: bs, ca, cs, da, de, en_CA, en_GB, es, eu, fr, gl, hr, hu, id, it, lt, lv, nb, nl, nn, pl, pt, pt_BR, ro, sk, sq, sr@Latn, sv. A notable exception is .. Finnish

So if you still have a high rate of downloads from your file server, this minor improvement would help a fairly large percentage of the world population...

Another thing that I found important in particular when using non-English keyboards was that sticky keys should be commented out in /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart. It produces too many weird effects, at least for my German keyboard, apart from the fact that also the Control key is made sticky, which may lead to very unexpected behavior.

Btw, upon running nmap in Debian chroot, I found that /etc/hosts in the Debian image reads

Code:

127.0.0.1 Nokia-N800-23-14 localhost

::1     localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts

Could a different host name produce any conflicts with Maemo? And also that IP6 is not present in Maemo's host file?

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mscion | # 965 | 2010-04-05, 21:34 | Report

Hi Rebhana,

Do you have any clue when open office will get full armel support from Debian again. Presumably open office 3.+ would be available
then.

rebhana | # 966 | 2010-04-05, 21:48 | Report

Originally Posted by mscion View Post

Do you have any clue when open office will get full armel support from Debian again. Presumably open office 3.+ would be available
then.

Not the faintest idea, sorry. I had already searched the web for the packages qole has been using for his image, since I was hoping they would be there on some archive, but without success. Perhaps one could ask directly somebody from Debian's openoffice team whether they could make the armel packages they pulled from their archive available in private? @qole, do you have any contacts?

mscion | # 967 | 2010-04-06, 13:08 | Report

qole and rebhana:

It would be nice if openoffice 3.2 was available. According to
openoffice.org there is a significant speed up of start up times with 3.2.
They claim a 46% improvement from 3.0. I currently have 2.4
on the n900 and it takes about 45 seconds for Writer to come up.
Assuming 2.4 and 3.0 have the same start up times (need to check). That would make the cold start up 24.3 secs. Now, if you are willing to risk (to quote qole) "frying" your processor at 900Mhz you can get it down to about 18 secs.

lenny-backports has version 3.0 for armel but I could never get it to install. Anyways, It would be good to know why they were pulled before getting what you wish for. I noticed 3.2 on squeeze but not for armel.

BTW I tried the Ubuntu version and it came with openoffice 2.4. Not sure where to find 3.+ compiled to run on n900 with ubuntu

Anyways, I think you are doing a great job. I like Easy Debian.
and having linux on a device you can fit in your pocket especially when flying and having to juggle stuff (laptops, luggage and shoes).

Last edited by mscion; 2010-04-07 at 11:57.

rebhana | # 968 | 2010-04-07, 14:56 | Report

mscion: I'm just a user of Easy Debian (beta tester would be really the wrong description), it's really qole alone who achieved this infinitely useful application and I have joined this thread only when everything was already working very smoothly. One of the few remaining useful threads here in fact - too many seem to be so bored that they spend their time checking for PR1.2 and telling each other about that, and others wail endlessly about missing functionality, while Easy Debian gives hundreds of programs to try at one stroke. Just yesterday I discovered a cute genealogy program (gramps), installed that on my Linux laptop and found that it is completely functional on the N900 too (though only working with debbie, not under LXDE, where it simply does not start!?).

As to OO3.2, I think it's just a question of time, but I'm already more than happy with the present version. So no need for Documents To Go to be able to inspect office files somebody sends to your device. That's all I actually need.

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rebhana | # 969 | 2010-04-07, 19:29 | Report

Originally Posted by rebhana View Post

... discovered a cute genealogy program (gramps), installed that on my Linux laptop and found that it is completely functional on the N900 too (though only working with debbie, not under LXDE, where it simply does not start!?).

OK, maybe I'm still a beta tester, too. Although the program in question is most certainly not of wider interest, the problem I ran into with it perhaps is:

As I said, everything works fine when I start gramps from debbie.

Under LXDE, it just won't start. Launching gramps from a terminal within LXDE, I get the following error messages

Code:

5697: ERROR: gramps.py: line 138: Unhandled exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/gramps/gramps.py", line 187, in <module>
    errors = run()
  File "/usr/share/gramps/gramps.py", line 179, in run
    from gui.grampsgui import startgtkloop
  File "/usr/share/gramps/gui/grampsgui.py", line 63, in <module>
    import Utils
  File "/usr/share/gramps/Utils.py", line 49, in <module>
    from GrampsLocale import codeset
  File "/usr/share/gramps/GrampsLocale/__init__.py", line 23, in <module>
    from _GrampsLocale import *
  File "/usr/share/gramps/GrampsLocale/_GrampsLocale.py", line 141, in <module>
    unicode(time.strftime('%B',(0,3,1,1,1,1,1,1,1)),codeset).lower() : 3,
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/utf_8.py", line 16, in decode
    return codecs.utf_8_decode(input, errors, True)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 1-3: invalid data

How can that be, as there were no errors at all with debbie!

For no good reason I tried again, but started LXDE by

Code:

sudo debian su - user -c xephwm5

instead of just "debbie xephwm5". All of a sudden gramps works without errors!

Curiously enough, I didn't need "su -" with debbie for gramps to work...

I guess that supports my previous statement that chroot should be done with "su -" throughout, and all openoffice environment variables set in the image. So that would be something for the next version easy-deb-chroot to consider. (My above suggestions for v3c are of course independent of that.)

Btw, monitoring xephwm5 I noticed an apparently harmless error. The script always produced "trl: command not found". What's that?

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nokian-series | # 970 | 2010-04-07, 22:05 | Report

Hello all,
I've do the process as showed here ' http://mundo-n900.blogspot.com/ ' (i dont search here in talk maemo due to personal reasons with the computer where i went).
Is keeping "unpacking" since 35 minutes.
Phone shows processor up and down, it's slowing, so, i think its doing something but..35 minutes ?
Any ideas ?

Thank you..