Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all? - Page 126 - maemo.org

danramos | # 1251 | 2010-09-15, 18:30 | Report

@Attila77:
You're right. I was getting WAY ahead of myself with that rant and veering away from the topic of this thread.

SD. | # 1252 | 2010-09-15, 20:14 | Report

Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post

A recent Flash vulnerability has been patched, and a new one is going to be patched within 2 weeks according to Adobe.

Yea that second one affects Android so I'm guessing it affects the Maemo verison too

But it's low risk I think because you have to save a dll to a specific location with a specific filename for something to happen.

allnameswereout | # 1253 | 2010-09-15, 20:45 | Report

Originally Posted by attila77 View Post

Even if 100% of Maemo would be open source (which I would really really like to see), it wouldn't help this problem, there is one source of plugins - Adobe. No really, enough of this 'we sent the stuff to Nokia'. ONE WEB, ANY DEVICE. That's Adobe's slogan, not Nokia's, Samsung's or whoevers. If you deal with OPEN development, you send the source to gitorious. But apart from this finger-pointing and blame-game, sadly, Adobe does not deal with people. They just don't care about people. They deal with companies, and if the Adobe style 'mah ppl vill kall yo ppl' whos-the-koolest-kid-on-the-block deal falls through, tough luck. You are at their mercy for each and every version. And if you blame the vendor, that only helps them keeping on with this business. Go and ask HTC Hero owners (another device that shipped with Flash 9) how's their full flash update (hint - it's in the same status as ours). Or how's that demonstrated Flash 10.1 for the Palm Pre (do you need a hint about the status of that one ?).

And while I'm talking about other platforms - remember that talk how Flash will be multiplatform and how Flash 10.1 will support blackberry and symbian and webos and.. ? Well, surprise, surprise, Adobe has (yet again) changed their requirements on mobile devices, now it's ONLY Android 2.2 with a Cortex A8 minimum. Everybody else got erased (yes, even MeeGo), public demonstrations on the N900 and Palm Pre be damned. I guess we'll be friends again if the Apple and/or Android thing make a turn for the worse. But enough ranting, everyone can blame whoever they feel bad about at the moment, but considering how Adobe handled Maemo, MeeGo, Linux (esp 64bit), WebOS (and the list goes on) the day when we don't need to depend on somebody's whim (=binary blobs) just to be able visit a bloody web site can't come soon enough.

Yes, Adobe Flash is one of the shittiest products in existence:

1) Constantly security vulnerabilities
2) Which aren't patched quickly.
3) A resource hog; browser crasher
4) Required for something as simple as watching a video online
5) Not programmed with portability in mind; not even 64-bit

Perhaps Nokia should've joined the Apple bandwagon, and simply not support Adobe Flash on their products. Sometimes not providing something half baked is worse than providing something half-baked.

Unfortunately Nokia hasn't adopted the alternative (HTML 5 + OGG Vorbis + OGG Theora) either.

Has anyone tried Lightspark btw?

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geohsia | # 1254 | 2010-09-15, 21:29 | Report

Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post

Unfortunately Nokia hasn't adopted the alternative (HTML 5 + OGG Vorbis + OGG Theora) either.

I think you mean unfortunately the majority of websites in the world that uses flash for things like video and content interaction hasn't moved to an equally feature rich platform (which doesn't yet exist).

HTML 5 and new video codecs are great but it sure isn't ready yet to replace Flash no matter what Apple says and no matter how horrible people claim Flash to be. I have no doubt it'll get there though.

The nice thing about Flash ads are that they're easy to block. HTML5 based ads might be a bit more difficult. Just saying...

fuji_man | # 1255 | 2010-09-15, 21:52 | Report

nothing will happen, since mameo is dead... if you wanted support... just wait till meego get finailized... rumor on the meego wiki as end of october

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slaapliedje | # 1256 | 2010-09-15, 22:04 | Report

Originally Posted by monkeyman View Post

No Linux 64-Bit driver for my BD-RW, no Linux 64-Bit driver for three of my NIC's. At UMass Amherst the problem of a lack of drivers was found by most of us. I say "most" because some users have a combination of devices which are all covered, and others (like me) have a combination of devices of which nearly none are covered.

Sorry to go off-topic here, but this needs to be corrected.

There are only fourproblems I have EVER seen with 64-bit Linux.

1) Flash (the topic at hand)
2) Java (fixed now since one of the updates to version 6(can't recall which)
3) Some emulators.
4) OpenOffice.org. (Old issue, long since taken care of)

Flash we don't have source code for, so it can't be fixed by anyone except Adobe.

Java was fixed as stated from around 6u16 or 6u17, they added in 64bit java web start and java plugin.

Zsnes and gens only have 32-bit versions due to some of the emulator specific code not being 64-bit friendly.

OpenOffice didn't have a 64-bit native version, though that never really prevented the 32-bit version from not working.

Your issues sound more like FUD than anything. BD-RW 'drivers' ? Unless your BD-RW uses some weird non-standard drivers, it'll work. Since SATA and CD-ROM drivers have long since been standardized, I don't know why it wouldn't work. Yes Open Source software does support burning BDs, so if it's open source, it can more than likely be compiled for 64-bit.

All of the NICs I have ever seen or dealt with have drivers either included in the current or newer kernel, some few require firmwares, but none of them that I have seen are 32-bit only, so if it works in 32 bit, it'll work with 64-bit.

If you guys are having issues with 64-bit Linux having issues detecting NICs or BD-RWs, you should probably switch distributions (use something with a newer kernel. Hell even Debian Lenny had some issues with a bit of hardware I put on it where it wouldn't detect the NIC because the e1000 driver that was included with the kernel wasn't 'new' enough. Initially I compiled the driver myself, someone else had put in a bug report and Debian released a new kernel package with the newer driver and it worked out of the box for new installs)

Lesson here is, if you have a legitimate non-working device in 64-bit, but it works in 32-bit, submit a bug report. Driver wise, I have not seen any devices out there that are not supported under both. For that matter, I bet most of those same devices have working drivers under ARM, M68K, SPARC, etc.

The major exception of working drivers are probably NICs, though even broadcom supplies enough source code to be working under 64-bit, and they're the worse offenders.

slaapliedje

P.S. To go back on topic, give us Flash, you bastards!

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slaapliedje | # 1257 | 2010-09-15, 22:08 | Report

Originally Posted by geohsia View Post

I think you mean unfortunately the majority of websites in the world that uses flash for things like video and content interaction hasn't moved to an equally feature rich platform (which doesn't yet exist).

HTML 5 and new video codecs are great but it sure isn't ready yet to replace Flash no matter what Apple says and no matter how horrible people claim Flash to be. I have no doubt it'll get there though.

The nice thing about Flash ads are that they're easy to block. HTML5 based ads might be a bit more difficult. Just saying...

I agree 100% here. HTML 5 and all it's glory can be touted up as the best thing since Vagina was invented, but it simply isn't 'there' yet. The spec could be completed and everyone happy, but the browsers would still need to support it properly. Not to mention there are still things that Flash will probably still do better. Also even once the spec is completed and the browsers fully support it (well except IE, which we know will never support ALL the 'standards') the content providers would need to start switching over their content.

Who is to say there is any money / advantage in that?

So let's just face it, Flash is here for a very long time. Well, unless the world ends in 2012. Yay, end of the world!

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ndi | # 1258 | 2010-09-15, 22:33 | Report

Originally Posted by geohsia View Post

The nice thing about Flash ads are that they're easy to block. HTML5 based ads might be a bit more difficult. Just saying...

I disagree. Once in HTML5, the tags themselves could be ignored, folded, etc. Much like text banners can be collapsed via the AdBlock Plus Element Hiding Helper.

A good enough browser would have an option to not begin download of the movie until the are has been clicked, a la FlashBlock.

I see no reason to make blocking harder. If anything, it will be easier, as it will no longer be a flash object, but a video stream, much finer control, less of a vulnerability.

Speaking of vulnerabilities, any browser not allowing screening of images and videos is going to be exploited like in 1996. Blocking will be pretty much mandatory.

And if all else fails, network filters will work just fine.

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Diavoli | # 1259 | 2010-09-15, 22:52 | Report

http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/n...lash-10-1.html

I don't know if anyone posted this but....damn I thought N900 would be the first Nokia to have Flash 10.1 AHHHH THE HYPE.

monkeyman | # 1260 | 2010-09-16, 00:24 | Report

Maemo is dead in part because we've allowed it to die. If N900 owners flooded Nokia with emails and phone calls about Flash 10.1 (we can't call or email Adobe directly without having to pay $39), each with exactly the same message we could convince them to do it. Microsoft was going to drop support for XP but after being flooded with calls and emails have continued support twice now. Nokia responded to being flooded with complaints about a lack of support for the 770 (the following cut and pasted directly from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo September 15, 2010, 8:12PM):
"OS2007 ran only on the N800 and Nokia initially had no plans to release it for the 770; however feedback from disgruntled 770 owners[58] led Nokia to release an unsupported hybrid of OS2006 and OS2007, dubbed Internet Tablet OS 2007 Hacker Edition, in February 2007.[59] OS2007HE combined the binary parts of OS2006 with most of the updated libraries and user-space applications of OS2007."

Nokia would bend to pressure if only we were willing to put in the effort. If all N900 users (or as many as is possible by the use of this website) sent an email about the clear need for a version of Flash 10.1 (make sure to include your IMEI in the message to validate your position) they just might get to it. Both sending an email and flooding them with phone calls would very likely get the job done. We CAN have Flash 10.1 for our N900's, we just need to put a fire under Nokia's butt.
A second tactic (one not to use unless Nokia still fails to respond) would be to post the fact that Nokia has abandoned a $500 flagship device which (for many of us) is still under warranty. Nokia would try and protect their image rather than risk losing future sales.

The change to MeeGo cannot be used as an excuse by Nokia because they are still producing N900's and like most of their flagship devices the Meego device will be months away from the release date they initially put forward (how late was the N900?).Nokia would bend to pressure if only we were willing to put in the effort.

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