Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all? - Page 170 - maemo.org

droitwichgas | # 1691 | 2010-12-21, 10:43 | Report

Originally Posted by attila77 View Post

Let's reiterate. Flash will not be part of a MeeGo update (ever), as it is a proprietary blah-blah-see-talk-about-license-blah-blah. Not even bog standard desktop linuxes are allowed to distribute it (ever wonder why that flashplugin-nonfree thingy has to DL something from Adobe ?). All MeeGo devices that WILL have Flash at some point will get it from Adobe or a partner company/vendor, NOT meego.com, the Linux Foundation, etc. That's how Flash works. Now, pause, and start the 'waaah'

It was my understanding there was no offiical annoucement from Nokia regarding Flash, nor for that matter Ovi maps, on meego/Nokia N900? How can you be so sure that we will never get Flash on meego?

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m4r0v3r | # 1692 | 2010-12-21, 10:51 | Report

http://drippler.com/nokia_n900/flash...g-to-the-n900/

no idea if it's crap or not but it doesn't seem to be coming ever

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geneven | # 1693 | 2010-12-21, 10:52 | Report

Originally Posted by droitwichgas View Post

It was my understanding there was no offiical annoucement from Nokia regarding Flash, nor for that matter Ovi maps, on meego/Nokia N900? How can you be so sure that we will never get Flash on meego?

Yes, since Nokia went the gutless and user-unfriendly route of never announcing definitively its intentions with regard to Flash 10.1, there's no telling what it might do.

It's a good reason not to deal with Nokia.

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attila77 | # 1694 | 2010-12-21, 11:15 | Report

Originally Posted by geohsia View Post

I thought he was trying to answer the previous question but I guess he was just making a statement. We already knew that it would have to be Adobe or Nokia that would make it available.

The question asked was how likely it would be for Adobe / Nokia to do that for the N900 platform.

No, the question was specifically about MeeGo 1.2. See below.

Originally Posted by droitwichgas View Post

It was my understanding there was no offiical annoucement from Nokia regarding Flash, nor for that matter Ovi maps, on meego/Nokia N900? How can you be so sure that we will never get Flash on meego?

MeeGo is an Open Source Linux Foundation project. It will (and should) not contain any blobs and parts that would hinder it's distribution. So no Skype, no Ovi Maps, no Shazam, no TomorrowsCoolApp. BUT. Understand. That is the free edition of the OS. Debian, if you will. Not what you have on actual products

*VENDORS* will include Flash in *THEIR* products that might be running a certain OS *or* Adobe might make it available for those OSes through variou$ licen$ing deal$.

Think about it this way. Does Windows come with Flash ? Does Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora come with Flash ? Does MacOS come with Flash ? MeeGo (1.2, 1.3, 3.4, 8.9, etc) will not come in that sense with Flash either. If you nab a Flash build from a vendor, you might make it work, depending on how close it is to your hardware/middleware, but that will always be a gray area (as you still would not be able to distribute it - with the potential goodwill that if Nokia is that vendor it is less likely to cease & desist and try to cooperate than others).

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geohsia | # 1695 | 2010-12-21, 11:58 | Report

Originally Posted by attila77 View Post

No, the question was specifically about MeeGo 1.2. See below.

I'm not sure what the big deal is.

"... is there any chance we will get [Flash] on Meego 1.2 on the N900 in the April update? "

The fact that the MeeGo 1.2 distribution would likely not include Flash 10.1 is secondary to the question of whether or not Flash would get supported on MeeGo 1.2 I think is what is being asked. I think 1.2 is important because iirc 1.2 is the more functional consumer build vs 1.0 / 1.1 which are developer builds.

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attila77 | # 1696 | 2010-12-21, 12:37 | Report

Originally Posted by geohsia View Post

I'm not sure what the big deal is.

"... is there any chance we will get [Flash] on Meego 1.2 on the N900 in the April update? "

The fact that the MeeGo 1.2 distribution would likely not include Flash 10.1 is secondary to the question of whether or not Flash would get supported on MeeGo 1.2 I think is what is being asked. I think 1.2 is important because iirc 1.2 is the more functional consumer build vs 1.0 / 1.1 which are developer builds.

Pardon my English, I interpreted get Flash as in, actually acquiring the binary. Support itself is pretty pointless question, as Maemo is a full-blown Linux, in that sense Maemo5 and MeeGo 1.0 already 'supported Flash 10.1' from day 1. It's just that nobody released that Flash 10.1 on ARM architecture due to licensing reasons (are we running in circles or what ?

).

Originally Posted by jalyst View Post

Actually I vaguely recall in this thread that one of the community heads was preparing a formal approach to TI to obtain licensing on all our behalves.
Or something along those lines, apologies if my memory fails me... Does anyone know what became of that?

There was some initial enthusiasm, but the thing has pretty much stalled.

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geohsia | # 1697 | 2010-12-21, 12:59 | Report

Originally Posted by attila77 View Post

(are we running in circles or what ?

)

At this point I'm just arguing for argument's sake.

Originally Posted by

Pardon my English, I interpreted get Flash as in, actually acquiring the binary.

So am I. Acquiring the binary and specifics of distribution are different.

Originally Posted by

Support itself is pretty pointless question,

After 170 pages in this thread I beg to differ.

Originally Posted by

as Maemo is a full-blown Linux, in that sense Maemo5 and MeeGo 1.0 already 'supported Flash 10.1' from day 1.

Um, pardon my english, but what are you talking about? All this time Maemo 5 had Flash 10.1. Dude, why didn't you tell us in page 1.

Oh, that's right. It doesn't exist in a way that's meaningful to mere mortals.

So you're saying then that MeeGo 1.2 isn't Linux? Wow, that's news to me too. Must be WP7. It all makes sense now.

Originally Posted by

It's just that nobody released that Flash 10.1 on ARM architecture due to licensing reasons .

Yeah, but who cares about licensing and support. It exists and works, that's all that matters right?

At this point I have no idea what you or I am talking about.

FP125 | # 1698 | 2010-12-21, 13:22 | Report

My BBCi player was working the other week and now it's not - bloody Flash!

Same with video clips on Facebook

Pah

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abhirajsoni | # 1699 | 2010-12-21, 16:07 | Report

never lose hope. may be we get flash one day.

sjgadsby | # 1700 | 2010-12-21, 16:18 | Report

Originally Posted by geohsia View Post

At this point I have no idea what you or I am talking about.

I believe attila77 was confused by this:

Originally Posted by geohsia View Post

I'm not sure what the big deal is.

"... is there any chance we will get [Flash] on Meego 1.2 on the N900 in the April update? "

The fact that the MeeGo 1.2 distribution would likely not include Flash 10.1 is secondary to the question of whether or not Flash would get supported on MeeGo 1.2 I think is what is being asked.

I share his confusion. Would you please clarify your meaning?

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