fatalsaint | # 31 | 2009-12-28, 22:57 | Report

Not entirely true. Yes, we'll still have those threads. However, a point-click easy solution more non-expert users are willing to follow than a terminal CLI command.

"Click here, type this, click that" is exactly what normal GUI users are used to seeing. They ignore: "STOP! I WILL KILL J00! DEATH TO YOUR FIRST BORN!" on the top of the page.. all they care about is the "Ok... I click here.. tap that.. type this.. " and thats what they read.

A lot of users see us go "Open a terminal and.." immediately their ADD kicks in and they go somewhere else .

Bec | # 32 | 2009-12-28, 23:09 | Report

No, I actually have no idea about what you are talking..
Tab to do what? show commands, list folders... how does that even remotely get me past the annoyingly capitalised "MyDocs" ?
(disclaimer: if you think it's sarcasm, it's not, I actually have no clue)

Point made, but extras-devel is something normal users don't touch either. I keep it there but I keep it disabled (bit that's only because I reached wannabe status)...

fatalsaint | # 33 | 2009-12-28, 23:10 | Report

Tab allows auto-completion of both commands and folders.

dp<tab> -i /ho<tab>/u<tab>/M<tab>

for example to quickly access

/home/user/MyDocs

You only had to use shift once.

OptX | # 34 | 2009-12-28, 23:25 | Report

LOL.
I never used the red pill, i'm sure i never will,and i'm not a geek or something. Do you see what happens during the installation with red pill? I dont think so. In terminal you can easy follow what is going on, and maby find the answer why something doesn't work/run/install before you have to search or ask somebody. Terminal is the best thing and i would say that everybody who uses it all the time, is waaaay faster by tab-typing then by using GUI.
Terminal is not geek, its linux

Bec | # 35 | 2009-12-28, 23:39 | Report

The noob says thanks, but that still proves my point, using the keyboard is uncomfortable on-the-go.
Just throwing red pill out is not an option.
Hide it.Burry it.Turn it into an install.But keep it.

Lazarpandar | # 36 | 2009-12-28, 23:46 | Report

Wow I'm quite surprised by the response this is getting.

Yeah, why not make the N900 harder to use, its not like it isn't already the phone with the steepest learning curve available.

Improve the OS, make the phone easier to use (without removing functionality) and maybe we'll get a good community following and finally attract some developer attention. I'm quite unsatisfied with the phone so far. There's only so much a college student needs to use SSH and VNC, and jumping through hoops to get applications working gets old fast. The N900 has ridiculous amounts of potential (see the boring yet beautiful game Bounce, or the plethora of features the phone has) and it is so so so sad to see it go to waste.

fatalsaint | # 37 | 2009-12-28, 23:53 | Report

Point Missed.

Bec | # 38 | 2009-12-29, 00:03 | Report

Ummm... I don't agree with that...
I know I may sound awkward but having repositories is the most confortable way I've ever experienced of having an app installed, it's like the device does everything for you, installing mantaining and updating. It's really as easy as pie and once you have your favourite apps all you have do do is click "yes, update all my apps" when updates are released.

~my first taught when I saw this was "Damn, computers are taking over the world, now how the F do I install an app manualy and where do I get .debs from?~
*it is not normal to go back to rubbing two sticks for fire when someone hands you a microwave, but that's just me!

I made this thread because some users, like, ahem, me for example have a sweetspot when dealing with OSes, it's something above the average user and far far away from guru.
I'm talking about the type of user that knows a thing or to and likes to play with fire; not because the OS puts him in that position, but because he wants to

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Lazarpandar | # 39 | 2009-12-29, 00:37 | Report

Yeah I don't disagree with that, I wasn't arguing against you. I'm pro-redpill mode.

Repos are great, I didn't say they weren't.

When things aren't there, lets say I develop an application and post the .deb on megaupload, redpill mode is great.

I think its ridiculous to remove it.

On a side note:
I also think winking smiley faces are ridiculous, they don't make you look cheeky "Hehe I'm telling him something he didn't know" (I either knew it the whole time or it was useless information) "I'm going to post a winking smiley face as a passive aggressive way of showing dominance"

Nope, doesn't get your point across, just makes you look annoying. This goes to everyone on the forum who uses emoticons not to express emotion but to be passive aggressive, stop it.

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fatalsaint | # 40 | 2009-12-29, 00:42 | Report

Lazar,

You're completely missing the fact that red-pill mode, for or against, has absolutely nothing to do with the ease of use of the OS, the ease of package installation for newbies, or the friendliness of the OS.

Your original post has absolutely nothing to do with Bec's request in this thread. I think you need a bit of a firmer grasp of what red-pill mode actually is before you decide whether it should be kept or not.

There seems to be some confusion regarding red-pill mode.... removing red-pill mode in no way removes any functionality from the device. None. Zip. Zilch.