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Karel Jansens |
2007-01-21
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Originally Posted by thoughtfix
No, but I was thinking of something else I read about a while ago. Apparently, it would be possible to develop a Linux-specific BIOS that would allow "normal" pcs to boot in under 4 seconds. Can't seem to find a reference though...
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2007-01-21
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
Then that is just poor software design. It's not stated how the device will behave with mismatched time periods, and with mismatched timings it's not how I (and several others) want it to behave. Nokia should add a checkbox to the Display applet along the lines of "Disable screen immediately when locked - Yes/No" as this would then make the screen locking behaviour explicit and easily understood. Without the checkbox the device behaves inconsistently depending on the values used for apparently unrelated settings (ie. the two time periods). If it's not a bug, it's appalling GUI design.
I don't think it's a bug: When you select "Lock screen and keys", you essentially override the brightness down setting. My guess is that the OS then deducts the brightness down setting from the off setting and starts the count down from then. I.e.: With brightness down set at 2 minutes and screen off at 5 minutes, it would take 3 minutes before the screen is locked. The N800 simply assumes that you'll allways want that 3 minute lag.
Maybe with the next firmware release Nokia will add the polish that is so obiviously lacking from the N800, which they appear to have rushed in order to get ready for CES.
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2007-01-23
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I just wanted to add that you don't have to edit any file as root, there's an option in the control panel to set both values, directly from the GUI.
(And someone posted a bug report for the need to set both values to the same, btw. Bug 959: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=959 )
(And someone posted a bug report for the need to set both values to the same, btw. Bug 959: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=959 )
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2007-01-23
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fwiw...
I have my N800 set for Brightness Period: 30secs, Switch off: 1 minute.
In this configuration, if I hit the power button and then "Lock TouchScreen and Keys". I see the screen immediately go dim. If I wait 30 seconds the screen goes black.
If I touch the screen within the first 30 seconds, then it goes full bright with a note on how to unlock it. Waiting 30 seconds more will make it go dim. Waiting an additional 30 seconds will make it go dark.
If I touch the screen while it's dark it will NOT come back up. I have to bring it up with the power button.
This seems perfectly reasonable to me.
From a technical point, it looks like there are two timer events running simultaneously. So, Brightness: 30secs, Off: 1 minute is "30 seconds to dim, then 30 MORE seconds will be dark". It's a total sequence length of 1 minute, not 1:30.
Anyway... that said, I do appreciate the new "Soft Poweroff".
THANKS!
I have my N800 set for Brightness Period: 30secs, Switch off: 1 minute.
In this configuration, if I hit the power button and then "Lock TouchScreen and Keys". I see the screen immediately go dim. If I wait 30 seconds the screen goes black.
If I touch the screen within the first 30 seconds, then it goes full bright with a note on how to unlock it. Waiting 30 seconds more will make it go dim. Waiting an additional 30 seconds will make it go dark.
If I touch the screen while it's dark it will NOT come back up. I have to bring it up with the power button.
This seems perfectly reasonable to me.
From a technical point, it looks like there are two timer events running simultaneously. So, Brightness: 30secs, Off: 1 minute is "30 seconds to dim, then 30 MORE seconds will be dark". It's a total sequence length of 1 minute, not 1:30.
Anyway... that said, I do appreciate the new "Soft Poweroff".
THANKS!
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2007-01-23
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Originally Posted by midiwall
Can't say I agree... if your have the following settings
This seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Brightness period: 2 minutes
Switch off period: 5 minutes
then locking the device and dropping it in your pocket means the screen will keep waking up for 3 minutes until it finally switches off. I don't know if the 3 minute timer is reset each time the screen is activated, meaning it could stay permanently illuminated in a worst-case situation, but either way it's a bizzare implementation that makes very little sense.
I suspect this scheme was implemented by a total geek who doesn't get out much, and wasn't QA'd or peer-reviewed by anyone who lives in the real world.
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2007-01-23
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
And it's buggy as well. See my new thread in the Troubleshooting section.
Can't say I agree... if your have the following settings
Brightness period: 2 minutes
Switch off period: 5 minutes
then locking the device and dropping it in your pocket means the screen will keep waking up for 3 minutes until it finally switches off. I don't know if the 3 minute timer is reset each time the screen is activated, meaning it could stay permanently illuminated in a worst-case situation, but either way it's a bizzare implementation that makes very little sense.
I suspect this scheme was implemented by a total geek who doesn't get out much, and wasn't QA'd or peer-reviewed by anyone who lives in the real world.
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2007-01-24
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
This seems to be exactly what happened to me when I had my display set for 2min/5min and locked the screen.
I don't know if the 3 minute timer is reset each time the screen is activated, meaning it could stay permanently illuminated in a worst-case situation, but either way it's a bizzare implementation that makes very little sense.
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2007-01-24
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Yeah... on 2nd thought, you guys are right, the stock concept of locking the screen/keyboard is hosed.
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2007-03-24
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
Looks as though Nokia have addressed Bug #959 in the latest 3.2007.10-7 firmware update - bascially, they've stopped the screen from dimming when locked so that it now goes straight to blank. Seems like a fairly simple and pragmatic solution to me!
This has to be a bug. The screen switches off only when the the brightness and switch off periods are the same, if the periods are different then the screen does not switch off!
Bug #959 raised for this defect.